View Full Version : Frisp's celica V6 swap
Paul Woods
25-06-2008, 18:59
Well this ones been a long time overdue but it was time we started sticking the v6 into the odd sillycar.... here is frisps motor,nice car it is too....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300918.jpg
And the offending object in question....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300917.jpg
I started weighing up the wiring tonight and getting my head around the fact the engines in the wrong place :) In reality it shouldnt be any harder than a good old fashioned mr2 v6 swap.
Lambda sensors be staying in the same place?
Will be able to fill it with oil mega easy.
Alternator is right there at the front if u ever need to swap it.
Christ, you'd think these engines were meant for FWD cars lol
gidonlamboo
25-06-2008, 19:02
Haha, maybe you can place the v6 in the back
Paul Woods
25-06-2008, 19:04
thats not a bad idea gidon! i dont think frispy will notice either!
now now enough of this silliness:D
we all know that you lot have only been practising on mr2s until you could get your hands on a real car
:hidesbehi rotflmao
:D woohooooooooooooooooooooo. Cheers guys :D
BTW, flywheel posted yesterday, only cos I forgot it on Friday :P
Nowt like a bit of V6 action to get the juices flowing. That engine bay looks mahusive compared to the mr2 one! You should have no problems cramming it all in there!
snowtigger
25-06-2008, 23:19
wot about the gt4 paul is the problem finding the rav four gearbox or is it more complicated, like lineing up the drive shafts or would u not want to attempt it?.
also wot about the 7 series celica is that a future project would a 1mz fit into one?.
Paul Woods
26-06-2008, 06:42
i will be leaving the gt4 v6 installs to the likes of fourveesix tigger,they are a bit too much hassle on a day to day basis.
The 7 series would be good with a 1mz yes,but would be a much more complicated conversion.
The 7 series would be good with a 1mz yes,but would be a much more complicated conversion.
How much more complicated?
I know Fensport fitted a 3S into one so there's room.
Would putting the 3vz into a new celica be any more involved than the same swap into the Mk3 Mr2 (not saying that wasn't complicated) as they run the same engines from factory? IYSWIM
Sorry for the thread hijack and all the questions.
I think a Gen 7 with a 1MZ or even better, a 3MZ would be the kippers tits
Paul Woods
26-06-2008, 18:30
its just the piggybacking of the original ecu to keep the clocks happy that would be extra work row,the rest would be cake.
Paul Woods
26-06-2008, 18:46
After a few hours work i made a big hole....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/frispbayempty.jpg
Never realised it was that mucky around the bulkhead :P
Fair old size though, should be loads of room.
(starts saving for V8 job :D )
the only place i found that we had problems was at the front so i had to have another rad made up but the maestro will probably sort that by giving it a good talking to with this
:woc:
Can't beat a good bit of grindage :thumbsup:
Funny... my missus said the same thing last night.
Funny... my missus said the same thing last night.
Your wife does some car mods there, EarL?
Sponge Bob
27-06-2008, 15:32
Your wife does some car mods there, EarL?
I think he meant grinding coffee beans in the kitchen...
mart1975
27-06-2008, 15:58
interesting swap, i love these celica's, great cars.
interesting swap, i love these celica's, great cars.
exceptional taste that man:blabla:
snowtigger
28-06-2008, 01:41
love a gt4 in that greeny blue mettalic or silver, there is a gt near me that has an interesting rear top hatch smoked plastic wind thingy like the mr2 at the back never seen one before on a celica.
splintermcinnes
29-06-2008, 23:42
like this?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hediko.com/96-99%2520Celica%2520Parts.files/image013.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hediko.com/96-99%2520Celica%2520Parts.htm&h=173&w=307&sz=10&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=yLqsrnThkO6BGM:&tbnh=66&tbnw=117&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcelica%2Brear%2Bvisor%26gbv%3D2%26hl% 3Den
They're readily available, not sure if I like them or not. They were also an option on Carbon as a limited run.
snowtigger
30-06-2008, 00:57
yep thats the ones like the trd rear spoiler as well don't think it would look that good on a mk1 mr2 though.
Paul Woods
02-07-2008, 19:35
oops nearly forgot frispys update... the v6 engine has been stripped,and heads have been ported....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300928.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300929.jpg
Shouldnt be long before the whole lot is rebuilt and we have a go at installing it :)
Paul Woods
03-07-2008, 19:23
today we got the heads back on and cams refitted...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300930.jpg
awesome work mate
frispy must be like a kid waiting for santa to empty his sack on the living room carpetrotflmao
Never mind Santa, I think I've just emptied my sack anyhows ;)
Never mind Santa, I think I've just emptied my sack anyhows ;)
dirty boy:gay:
sixafterfour
03-07-2008, 23:55
Is this a gt4 or a regular
if its a gt4 how the hell does the AWD system work? transfer case?
im still confused.
It started life as a regular 1995 GT :)
Paul Woods
04-07-2008, 07:09
6after4 if you contact fourveesix he did a v6 into gt4 using a rav4 transfer casing i believe.... theres a build thread on it somewhere too.
Paul Woods
04-07-2008, 18:29
well today was full of cleaning,priming,shotblasting and painting parts..... here are the major components all mocked up on the engine,i still have a lot of stuff to fit before this all goes on for good.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300936.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300935.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300934.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300933.jpg
I think this will look stunning in the white engine bay.
Absolutely stunning work again Paul.
snowtigger
04-07-2008, 18:43
velly nice mr woods like the color combo like u say will look stunning.
gidonlamboo
04-07-2008, 19:12
Just one word: WAUW!!!!
that looks AMAZING!!!!!!!
:eek2: Amazing work Paul & lads :D Many thanks :D
loadswine
04-07-2008, 20:21
Slick and then some, great work Paul. :thumbsup:
TheGasMan
04-07-2008, 20:23
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300936.jpg
Why does Anth love showing his guns off so much? lol
Very nice engine theme matey :D
Haha, funny, we were jus talking about that this afternoon.
/Note to self, keep arse against the wall when Jack's over, he noticed "the guns" before the shiney V6.
And he fancies Richard and Judies daughter, who has a serious case of MANFACE
splintermcinnes
04-07-2008, 22:53
Hmm, White, blue, silver. where have i seen that before.....:blabla:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/splintermcinnes/mattsmoneyshot-1.jpg
Good choise my man!! hahaha. lookin stunning that
:blabla: No silver, well, not by choice :P
Paul Woods
07-07-2008, 19:25
lots more progress made on building the engine up.... its about 95% complete now....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300944.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300942.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300941.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300939.jpg
Paul Woods
08-07-2008, 06:51
Fk off you!
Marksman
08-07-2008, 06:58
I've never been a fan of the plastic cover on the V6 but is it just me or does it now seem to make more sense now it's painted to match the cam cover? Nice job chaps :praise2: Owen.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300944.jpg
:jump: Getting closer. Can't wait to be able to :driving: the thing :D
Awesome work chaps. :thumbsup:
loving it !!!!
paul you have mail
Paul Woods
08-07-2008, 18:52
A bit more progress today,i got the rest of the engine built so thats now complete,also got the celica power steering pump to bolt onto the v6,it was a less complicated way of doing it rather than using the v6 PS pump.
Next a shiney fidanza as bolted on and a fresh NA clutch....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300951.jpg
Frispies gearbox also had a makeover... check out the gold blingy clutch slave cylinder,im a pimp!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300950.jpg
Then the box was bolted to the engine... bubble wrap on top to protect the paintwork....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300960.jpg
Next job was the driveshaft fitment,this was one of the obstacles with the celica conversion,the old carrier bracket wont bolt up to the V6 block,and the V6 carrier bracket doesn't line up with the NA output hole,it only lines up with turbo boxes.... <caine on> not a lot of people know that <caine off>
SO...... i had to make my own axle carrier bracket from scratch,its old hat though,done it quite a few times now most recently on my own car.I started by making a flat plate that bolts to the block....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300953.jpg
Then a plate is cut that fits the driveshaft bearing carrier.... i have templates of all this shit which helps..... and you got to love plasma cutters!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300957.jpg
Then its given a top hat bracing piece and seam welded.... here it is primed....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300958.jpg
And here is the completed mount back on the engine painted silver,wasted effort though,nobodies ever going to see it....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300959.jpg
Thats it for today,tomorrow the engine goes in.
:jump: Whayhey, I've got blingy bits :thumbsup:
Awesome :D
Paul Woods
08-07-2008, 19:03
you like? how do you fancy gold driveshafts lol ? im not kidding either!
This is where u regret giving him free reign on the colour scheme Frisp lol
you like? how do you fancy gold driveshafts lol ? im not kidding either!
Feel free to play Paul. The only firm thing was the blue/white engine theme :D
Paul Woods
08-07-2008, 19:28
ok i dont need to ask twice,tomorrow sir you are getting gold driveshafts! :)
you like? how do you fancy gold driveshafts lol ? im not kidding either!
He's not, the inside of my bell housing is silver and the selector fork is gold.
Puts Jimmy Saville to shame.
He's not, the inside of my bell housing is silver
Paul painted your foreskin silver? lol
That's just wierd.
Yup lol I heard he did your bomb doors a nice shade of brown!
Yo fraser, what will Elaine say about you having blingy bits. Phil
Will need to ask her to inspect & fettle :D
Paul Woods
09-07-2008, 18:52
okay,today was good,today we gave this beasty a grunty v6 heart transplant....
First thing to do was make the drivers side engine mount,for this its simply a piece of 5mm thick plate with four holes drilled in it in the right places,two for the v6 engine platform and two for the celica mount,problem is though that part of the celica mount interferes with one of the v6 mount holes,so we need to chop that area of the mount away....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300970.jpg
The mount is then bolted to the bar and also given seam welding to both sides to make up for the area we chopped out,it would probably be fine on just the bolts but i wanted extra security.Now before you all scream at me that the celica mount part is cast,i know this.... and it will weld if you do it right,lets just say the added welded areas on it make me feel better about the mount than just having two bolts on it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300969.jpg
Thats basically all you need to do to a gen 6 mount wise to get a v6 to fit.
Oops how did that get there....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300972.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300974.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300973.jpg
It was tight going in but no harder than a v6 mr2 install really.The real fun starts now connecting shit up! ive already had to move a power steering pipe out of the way and grind a smal section of the radiator fan cowling away to clear the exhaust manifold.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300976.jpg
Here is that mount fitted....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300975.jpg
Oh yeah one more thing..... frisp mate,you got gold shafts lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300978.jpg
gidonlamboo
09-07-2008, 20:23
It's almost coming to live!!!!
Looking very good there in that engine bay :thumbsup:
sixafterfour
10-07-2008, 01:31
whats this mod called?
the Camrica? Celicry?
I like Camrica more.
Had a look at this beast yesterday, the v6 looks at home in that bay. The colour scheme is spot on:thumbsup:
Had a look at this beast yesterday, the v6 looks at home in that bay. The colour scheme is spot on:thumbsup:
Cheers for that :) Was that yourself at around 1645 yesterday. Spotted on the webcam.
Paul Woods
10-07-2008, 19:13
Today was about starting to connect stuff up,i got the alternator fitted,and it slightly fouls on the relay box,so that will be moved forward so that it has no chance of ever coming into contact with it....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300982.jpg
Ive sorted out the radiator hoses too.... pretty easy.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300981.jpg
In this pic ive done heater hoses,mounted the coilpack/amplifier and joined the fuel feed and return lines....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300980.jpg
The gear selector cables are also refitted along with the hydraulic line,thats just the same as the old engine set up though.
Some stuff just plug n plays though,like the brake servo line here,same as before...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300983.jpg
Ive also taken the liberty of filling the front and rear torque mounts with polyurethane,they look a little weedy to me and the v6 is going to ask a lot more of them than the 3sge did,so poly filling them will make them more resistant.
Shouldnt be long now before it gets wired up!
Paul Woods
11-07-2008, 18:35
Today was full of a million little jobs,too many to mention! but here are the highlights..... i had to extend the throttle cable,there was no way on earth it was ever going to reach the throttle body the conventional way,so i made an adapter piece that joins the old celica cable onto a section of camry shifter cable ,its circled red below.... also got lots of vac hoses and the idle bypass hose fitted among other things.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300989.jpg
Also the intake system is fitted,and i made brackets to hold all of that so its supported....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300987.jpg
Here's an overview of what it looks like now...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300986.jpg
Next on the list is the exhaust and spaghetti,which is my favourite bit.
loadswine
11-07-2008, 19:24
Another cracking job there! Most impressed, that engine bay looks as though it means business.
gidonlamboo
11-07-2008, 19:32
It looks like everything is perfect in place :thumbsup:
Paul Woods
12-07-2008, 04:56
ah thats a good idea tone,i shall have a look at that.... for now i have removed it from its bracket and tucked it behind the headlight until ive worked out what to do with it :) although i suspect you mean a 90* turn?
Paul Woods
12-07-2008, 16:00
i'll see if i can give it a 180 and see how that works out :thumbsup:
Paul Woods
15-07-2008, 19:21
progress has halted for a few days while im waiting for some exhaust tubes to arrive.
Frisp,got your text about the webcam,i will reset it tomorrow morning :thumbsup:
mine was a bit easier to position cos i havnt got any of that abs nonsense getting in the wayrotflmao
Cheers Paul, hope the exhaust tubing arrives soon :P
Paul Woods
18-07-2008, 19:00
Time to pick this back up where we left off... im exhausted,quite literally! It took a full day of exhaust mods to get the v6 downpipes to clear the subframes and eliminate the Y pipe.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300995.jpg
Also to make the rest of the system line up properly with the V6 pipe i unbolted this middle section,flipped it 180 and bolted it back on.... it now lines up with the V6 downpipe exit...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300996.jpg
This is the new intermediate section that ive made,this goes between the V6 downpipes and the rest of the system,still needs some VHT paint....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7300997.jpg
So it now has an exhaust system,not long now...
MMmmm, is it just me that can get turned on by a well formed exhaust? lol
Top stuff Paul, she'll be alive soon :thumbsup:
Paul Woods
19-07-2008, 08:33
great minds n all that tone! to be honest there was really only one way to do it and this was it,i couldnt come up with anything else.
Portgordon
19-07-2008, 12:55
Welcome to another episode of Pimp My Ride, with your host, Mr Paul <west>Woods!
You should start wearing your trousers a little lower, get some big skater "sneakers" and start saying "Wicked" all the time whilst making bizarre hand gestures.
http://estb.msn.com/i/33/F7E2EC11B1DC24DF78542C28CFDAFB.jpg
Excellent tread this. It actually looks strange seeing a v6 mounted the correct way round so to speak!
Paul Woods
19-07-2008, 14:48
I hate that prick with a passion.... innit.
I hate that prick with a passion.... innit.
lol Do we get to see an impression from Paul soon then :P
Aye.
"Ch-chit....*BANG!* Here's your mother loving bill"
lol
Aye.
"Ch-chit....*BANG!* Here's your mother loving bill"
lol
Bring it on :thumbsup:
snowtigger
20-07-2008, 13:23
no the uk pimp my ride is as my 18 year old stepson said "that geezer is so of his tits its untrue who is this tool" argh cant stand the false ness of westwood give me xzibit any day.
on a lighter note this is looking well blinging man wooo u got your game on big fella u been pimped ker ching?.
on a lighter note this is looking well blinging man wooo u got your game on big fella u been pimped ker ching?.
Eh?????? lol
snowtigger
20-07-2008, 14:09
sorry westwood infected computer i will translate for u from my step son.:icon_conf
"well blinging" meens it looks good.:)
"u got game big fella" that is one nice looking car and i bet the ladies are lining up the street for a go in this, and u will be the envy of all your friends and family.
"u been pimped" a set of nice alloys and a good sound system would be nice.
"ker ching" bet that cost a packet.lol
Damn, that's almost as bad as "leet" speak on IRC or mobile phone texts :P
Wow, so much rust beneath it! O_O :(
Paul Woods
22-07-2008, 06:39
only surface rust mate,its 100% solid... all UK cars go like this due to our fantastically salty roads :thumbsup:
Paul Woods
22-07-2008, 18:34
We are at the spaghetti stage.... there was a bit of wiring up to do at the engine bay fusebox,a lot trickier than the mr2's im used to doing but we sussed it out...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7301008.jpg
The majority of the spag is here in the passenger footwell though,its cramped and poorly lit,so its taking longer,plus im not as young as i used to be lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport2/S7301009.jpg
With any luck this will be firing up sometime tomorrow all being well.Ive also fully documented every wire connection to be made for you home v6 builders,im nice like that :)
Top stuff Paul. Now I'm getting really, really excited. :thumbsup:
gidonlamboo
22-07-2008, 19:49
What can i say......:thumbsup:
only surface rust mate,its 100% solid... all UK cars go like this due to our fantastically salty roads :thumbsup:
Salt does make everything taste better, true enough... ;)
Paul Woods
25-07-2008, 07:50
She's alive! Everything works as it should,including the tacho which reads 100% spot on (we didnt have a ballast resistor to remove lyndon???,model variation?)
Will post video later :thumbsup:
:jump: Damn, will need to go to bed now. Looking forward to the vid though. In fact.
I CAN'T WAIT lol
Paul Woods
25-07-2008, 19:04
here she is running....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAD5zWniiB8
doesnt quite capture the engine note due to the exhaust being so far away from the camera mic.... much better in the flesh.
It's got a very nice burble from the back, that length of pipe certainly gives it an interesting note.
Can't wait to hear this on full chat :D
Yup, they sound even better under load!
Stop teasing ya bas :P
Stuck at work, so still not heard it, then, will have to take it easy for a couple 100 miles when I do pick her up :)
I could always drive it for a week for ya and get the test miles out the road.
No charge. :mrgreen:
You'll have road testing to do anyways :P Make it 100 or 150 miles worth. That'll have her babied enough for making the trip up......then play time :D
Aye we test them to make sure everything's hunky dory but the big test is on the drive home.
Looks like the long way home then :P
Sounds absolutely :brill:
gidonlamboo
26-07-2008, 15:36
When are you gonna pick up teh car Frisp??
I come 2 august to woodsport. Is he still there then??
Cheers
Not sure about the 1st gidonlamboo. But will be close to that date :)
I hope it's before personally... then mine's back on!
Me too Johnny :thumbsup: Although, it's paint time and shake down, shouldn't interupt your build further :D
gidonlamboo
27-07-2008, 09:25
Not sure about the 1st gidonlamboo. But will be close to that date :)
I just hope to see your celica v6 :thumbsup:
Well, got back like 20 mins ago. Sounds absolutely amazing. As a testament to Paul's work, she didn't miss a beat during the trip. I did keep her below 4000rpm though, got to baby the engine for a little while.
Off out to play again :D
One extremely happy teddy here :D
Brilliant mate!
How's the handling feel? Is it nose-heavy? Nice increase in power and driveability?
Well he definitely looked a happy bunny when he took it up and down the yard.
OK wee update. Paul, steering is a fraction heavier (good point imho). Change down and 50% throttle @ 4000 RPM = WOW!!!!!!!
Petrol on the way home = less than on the way down so 28-30 ish mpg.
I ran her down around the same speed.
4000RPM = 87-88MPH same as the 4 pot :thumbsup: Major difference. 40MPH in 5th gear = forget changing down unless you wanna go silly :P
thrill seeker
02-08-2008, 09:10
Hi Frisp glad you like my car,i was wondering if you know what is the difference in weight between yours and an mr2 if there is any ?
Book figures, ST202 is 1220kg's and a Mk2 N/A is about 1300kg's so a bit lighter.
although i seem to remember someone getting one weighed (mk2) and it being about 50kg's lighter.
thrill seeker
02-08-2008, 09:15
mind you ollie with me init i dont suppose it mattersrotflmao
Sold the old 3SGE lump - monies paid to the support vehicle fund :)
That's the least I can do for Paul & the two brutal guys :)
The donation was made under a different name to mine in way of payment, just glad I can help out in some way :D
Marksman
07-08-2008, 06:44
Brilliant gesture Frisp, thank you :praise2:
Owen.
Gentlemanly indeed.
Muchos gracias. :thumbsup:
Couple of clips, kinda difficult on your own :P. Weather was crap too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InOBWCocXpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QGKzlCs3AE
Those speeds are illegal dontcha know Frisp!
Nice snapshot of how it goes. :thumbsup:
Private road Guv, honest :)
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