Hello

[MRV6]

Just like to say hello to everyone. I have a mk2(sorry) with a 1mz-fe v6 with a trd supercarger fitted. It good to see that there are some V6 conversions going on on here. It will be great to bounce ideas off other people who are going down the V6 road.

Regards phil.

[podge]

hi phil and welcome to the club mate if i remember right arent you pauls mate

[adamh]

sounds like a nice engine you have, what is it returning with the sc?

welcome phil :)

[Goldy]

Welcome phil!! Yay... another mk2 owner.... we're taking over lol

I love the work you've done on your car, it all looks top notch. I'm hopefully going to go v6 route, once i've got some money together in the next year or so :shades:

Will be keeping an eye on your car .... expect lots of stupid questions from me in the near future...

Welcome to TB

[MRV6]

Hi guys thanks for the welcome. Yes Podge I'm Pauls mate I'm over Pauls often and have watched Lilys development from a v6 and now she's gonna be a v8. It's a cracking project just wish he would get somewhere near finnishing her. Evertime I go over he's put another mod on the car. First it was gonna be a v6, then he was gonna supercharge it, then he put power steering on then digi dash. "Right he says that it no more mods". Next time i go over he's cut the bloody roof off!! And now it's gonna be a v8, must say though it just has to be done a v8 in a mr2. Can you imagine what the v8's gonna sound like through a mr2 exhaust system.

Adam on the rolling road the car was producing 272 bhp and 278ft/lbs of torque. Thats running the standard 4 psi boost. Two runs here,first ones with the supercharger and walbro fuel pump. Second one just after the v6 install.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/UK_MRV6/2005_0111Image0003.jpg


Phil.

[MRV6]

Welcome phil!! Yay... another mk2 owner.... we're taking over lol

I love the work you've done on your car, it all looks top notch. I'm hopefully going to go v6 route, once i've got some money together in the next year or so :shades:

Will be keeping an eye on your car .... expect lots of stupid questions from me in the near future...

Welcome to TB

Thanks Goldy, yes mate you get your'e pennies saved up and put a v6 in her. Ask away mate I will try my best to help you out.

[Paul Woods]

hey mate welcome to our little corner,phils car is amazing,he took me up the road a few weeks ago and i was screaming like a girl,seriously quick car,the torque just keeps on coming and coming.

Goldy you should come up and get a ride in it mate,i 100% guarantee that 5s-fe will be on the floor by lunchtime.

I dunno whats worse,letting mk2 owners on here or magpies!(NUFC) urgh my fingers feel dirty typing those letters!

Good to have you here bud,choc hob nobs next time you come over please!

[nik]

now you see i could easily own a supercharged v6 mk2..thats got to be very special..nice figures too..
welcome to our corner mate and next time you go to pauls, sure take some hob nobs but why not spread some marmite on them..and hold a few good ones back for ransom..he HAS to get a move on with lilly..

[lodgeman]

hi and welcome to tb, and agree with nik take some marmite as he will do anything to avoid it!:slap:

[Paul Woods]

bastards! he wouldnt dare.............hmm theres me checking both sides of me hobnobs for the next month!

[Miss.Pitstop]

Hi Phil! Welcome to T.B!!! :thumbsup:

[MRV6]

I dunno whats worse,letting mk2 owners on here or magpies!(NUFC) urgh my fingers feel dirty typing those letters!

Good to have you here bud,choc hob nobs next time you come over please!

Er thanks mate I think. Bloody choccie biccies it cost me a bloody fortune, I have to pinch em off the kids, they do without so he can have his fix.

[MRV6]

now you see i could easily own a supercharged v6 mk2..thats got to be very special..nice figures too..
welcome to our corner mate and next time you go to pauls, sure take some hob nobs but why not spread some marmite on them..and hold a few good ones back for ransom..he HAS to get a move on with lilly..

Thanks Nik, hmm marmite. I'm off out tomorrow to get a couple of gallons of it. Yup agree mate he has to get his finger outand get her finnished.

[Paul Woods]

was that an offer of help? lol spare overalls here anytime you want mate!

[MRV6]

hi and welcome to tb, and agree with nik take some marmite as he will do anything to avoid it!:slap:

Thanks for the welcome and the advice mate. Marmite it is.


Hi Phil! Welcome to T.B!!! :thumbsup:

Thanks had look at your'e car during it's conversion. Looking good mate!

[MRV6]

was that an offer of help? lol spare overalls here anytime you want mate!


I'll give you a hand if you want mate might take longer we me helping than doing it on your'e own though.

[Peebs]

Hi there, good luck on your swap matey.

I have am nearly done with my mk2 V6. Happy flywheel hunting.

As for Owen and Paul :thebird: MK2's ROCK!!! Oh oh, quick, here's my chance, a blatant excuse for an actual piccie of an actual MK2 on a merk1 fuurrremm. "!SKINNY ASSES!"

[Johnny P.]

Glad to see another alloy V6 ride, cant wait to compare notes.
If the weather here cooperates mine will be road worthy next month!
Time to order up those collector plates.

[jasper]

See what happens once you let one in...? lol

Welcome Phil, nice probe you have there lol

[MRV6]

Great guys thats what we need more V6's on the road! Thanks Jasper these bloody probes common as s***e :hehe:

[Paul Woods]

aye jasper they are like gippos,first one comes along,then two,three and before you know it theres fifty living in a caravan in your back garden.

Still its good to have the mk2 owners here,anything that makes the mk1 look faster is a bonus! :hidesbehi

[MRV6]

aye jasper they are like gippos,first one comes along,then two,three and before you know it theres fifty living in a caravan in your back garden.

Still its good to have the mk2 owners here,anything that makes the mk1 look faster is a bonus! :hidesbehi

Cheecky sod. Theres gonna be marmite in the middle of the hob nobs as well as top nd bottom.

[nik]

i feel i should make a mk2 swap sub forum for you guys..

[lodgeman]

yes ! its called imoc!!!!!!:hidesbehi :) they love everyone there! :hidesbehi :)

[Sponge Bob]

yes ! its called imoc!!!!!!:hidesbehi :) they love everyone there! :hidesbehi :)

Haha... nice

[Fizzy]

Adam on the rolling road the car was producing 272 bhp and 278ft/lbs of torque. Thats running the standard 4 psi boost. Two runs here,first ones with the supercharger and walbro fuel pump. Second one just after the v6 install.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/UK_MRV6/2005_0111Image0003.jpg


Phil.

Hi - new member/poster, looking into V6'ing a poorly rev 3 tubby (or rather a uk n/a with a turbo transplant ;) ).

Just seen your plots with the SC - the figures are nigh on identical to the performance of my mk2 turbo (when it was ok ;) ) - and would be my ideal target for power levels for the V6, as its a nice balance for me.

Looking into costs etc, as my turbo's gone, and my engine probably needs a rebiuld - and this is looking to me a strong alternative option. :D

Just wondering how much this has cost you to complete? I would more than likely be getting a garage (or paul? ;) ) to do the conversion for me as I haven't the space or more importantly the skills to do this myself.

Any suggestions, comments, pointers to previous posts/web articles most appreciated! :D

Thanks!

- Ian.

[Paul Woods]

hi ian (are you the same ian off mr2oc?) just typed a full reply over there re costs etc... obviously going SC is much more costly,the units themselves are around ?1500 shipped,less if you are lucky.

Whatever you decide,even doing the swap yourself we are here to help.

Oh welcome to TB by the way! :driving:

[MRV6]

Hi Ian and welcome. I got my supercharger all in for about ?900inc shipping, you just need to keep your'e eyes open on the U.S. web sites and the U.S. e bay. You already have the running gear on the car for a supercharger set up, which will save you some cash there. I'll dig you out some U.S. sites.

Phil.

[superchargedsam]

Ian, have you ever considered doing an SC conversion onto your current engine as you could run good levels of boost on that motor and it would be a first AFAIK especially in the UK ! For the cost you could go for an engine rebuild and then fit a big mofo charger on that engine and run a decent chargecooler easily onto the rev3 set up ! no reason why a big charger and good colling wouldnt see that motor to an easy 400hp with some strong internal mods while rebuild takes place ! Just a thought mind ! I dont wanna put you off the V6 idea as gotta say am quite into the whole V6 thing and having recently driven a fully loaded lardy arse camry with it in I can only imagine what the V6 will do with a decent chassis under it ! just an idea/thought on the 3SGZE Idea as it would be very "Brutal" indeedy !

Welcome to TB and what part of south wales you from then fella ? Nice to see another member top up the south walian massive ! herts/beds/bucks feeling left out again ! ;)

[Fizzy]

hi ian (are you the same ian off mr2oc?) just typed a full reply over there re costs etc... obviously going SC is much more costly,the units themselves are around ?1500 shipped,less if you are lucky.

Whatever you decide,even doing the swap yourself we are here to help.

Oh welcome to TB by the way! :driving:

Thanks!

Yup - I am the same Ian (IanH) as in the mr2oc forum. Noticed the long, comprehensive and very good reply you put on there too. I think I'll save that off somewhere for future reference. :D

I'll spend the next few days checking options - altough the V6 sounds like a good idea to/for me, I would like to get all the facts etc together, and ideally see one in the flesh to see if all the fuss is worth it.. ;)

[MRV6]

Well mate if you are ever in Co. Durham drop me a line and we'll meet up you can have a spin out in mine and Pauls. See what you think.

[Fizzy]

Hi Ian and welcome. I got my supercharger all in for about ?900inc shipping, you just need to keep your'e eyes open on the U.S. web sites and the U.S. e bay. You already have the running gear on the car for a supercharger set up, which will save you some cash there. I'll dig you out some U.S. sites.

Phil.

Thats not too bad, considering new/refurbed turbo is getting near that anyway.

Noticed that you decided not to run an IC due to space restrictions - hows that going?

As I say though - if I can get the car to the same level via n/a&sc as it is now, it would be ideal. I can always ad an sc to the car at a later date..

...you have a later revision engine with electronic dizzy/ignition, correct? I'm probably going to go down the older engine route (seems simpler and far less fiddly , even if it does have an air flow meter ;) ) and I understand an SC can be fitted to that?

Also wondering - I have a unichip fitted to my car currently. Any chance that this can be utilised with the V6, or is there something similar, or is it just not worth it on the V6? :P

[Fizzy]

Well mate if you are ever in Co. Durham drop me a line and we'll meet up you can have a spin out in mine and Pauls. See what you think.

Thanks! Well, its a fair distance away from me, being in south wales. However, very tempted to make a trip of it and come up one weekend anyway... :D

[superchargedsam]

just go to JAE as thats not far off now ! what part of south wales you hiding in then fella ?

[Fizzy]

Ian, have you ever considered doing an SC conversion onto your current engine as you could run good levels of boost on that motor and it would be a first AFAIK especially in the UK ! For the cost you could go for an engine rebuild and then fit a big mofo charger on that engine and run a decent chargecooler easily onto the rev3 set up ! no reason why a big charger and good colling wouldnt see that motor to an easy 400hp with some strong internal mods while rebuild takes place ! Just a thought mind ! I dont wanna put you off the V6 idea as gotta say am quite into the whole V6 thing and having recently driven a fully loaded lardy arse camry with it in I can only imagine what the V6 will do with a decent chassis under it ! just an idea/thought on the 3SGZE Idea as it would be very "Brutal" indeedy !

Welcome to TB and what part of south wales you from then fella ? Nice to see another member top up the south walian massive ! herts/beds/bucks feeling left out again ! ;)

Hi Sam,

I'm actually in the Bridgend area, so not too far from you. :D

Well - one of the reasons I'm doing this is because my current engine isn't that well. So its probably not a good (or cheap ;) )option for me to spend loads doing it up, THEN add a (reltatively unknown entity for a 3SGTE engine) supercharger. Besides, even though it would be an interesting challange, If I wanted a lot of power I would go the "boring" route and just put a bigger turbo etc on there anyway. :P

The V6 option seems a good alternative to getting my engine rebuilt to the same levels (stock internals etc), or a replacement (unknown condition) turbo engine. I also quite like the idea of a nice sounding, reasonably powerfull, smooth lump in my 2... Guess I wouldn't be on here otherwise. :D No major plans (at present ;) ) to spend a fortune on a unique project car.

Besides - its just a little different from the usual upgrade. People will ask if you have an 2.0l n/a or turbo...... and I wonder what they'll do when you say "neither"..... :P

[Marksman]

People will ask if you have an 2.0l n/a or turbo...... and I wonder what they'll do when you say "neither"..... :P

Perfect TB spirit there and also another opertunity for a T-Shirt slogan methinks.

Welcome BTW,

Owen.

[superchargedsam]

Ian I dropped a car off in bridgend last night and rekon thats where I lost my ruddy alarm fob for my supercharger so been without a ruddy car all day ! I know what your saying about the engine option ! V6 would be an awsome transplant for sure !

[MRV6]

Thats not too bad, considering new/refurbed turbo is getting near that anyway.

Noticed that you decided not to run an IC due to space restrictions - hows that going?

As I say though - if I can get the car to the same level via n/a&sc as it is now, it would be ideal. I can always ad an sc to the car at a later date..

...you have a later revision engine with electronic dizzy/ignition, correct? I'm probably going to go down the older engine route (seems simpler and far less fiddly , even if it does have an air flow meter ;) ) and I understand an SC can be fitted to that?

Also wondering - I have a unichip fitted to my car currently. Any chance that this can be utilised with the V6, or is there something similar, or is it just not worth it on the V6? :P

When I was doing my research, the only v6 done @ the time was Brad bedells. One or two others were in the pipeline and all of them were 1mz's. So it was the 1 mz I went for. As Paul says it's light, newer engine and theres a supercharger made for it, but the 3vz has stronger internals. Looking @ the figs I have for the trd supercharger for the 1mz if you go to 6 psi your'e looking @ 298 bhp and 316 ft/lbs of torque. Thats for a standard camry, so if you include new manifolds, de cat and a nice exhaust system, air filter, timing mods etc. You might make some impressive power. I was going to go upto 6 psi on mine, the yanks say thats tops on standard internals for the 1mz but if I was to up the boost I would change the internals first. Paul and I were talking and we think the 3vz should be ok running 7 psi that equates to 310 bhp and 339 ft/lbs of torque for the standard camry. Not bad figs eh?

Not sure on the unichip, Pauls a bit fan of the megasquirt and I've looked @ the smt6.

If I was in your'e shoes I would prob go for the 3vz as well mate.

[Fizzy]

When I was doing my research, the only v6 done @ the time was Brad bedells. One or two others were in the pipeline and all of them were 1mz's. So it was the 1 mz I went for. As Paul says it's light, newer engine and theres a supercharger made for it, but the 3vz has stronger internals. Looking @ the figs I have for the trd supercharger for the 1mz if you go to 6 psi your'e looking @ 298 bhp and 316 ft/lbs of torque. Thats for a standard camry, so if you include new manifolds, de cat and a nice exhaust system, air filter, timing mods etc. You might make some impressive power. I was going to go upto 6 psi on mine, the yanks say thats tops on standard internals for the 1mz but if I was to up the boost I would change the internals first. Paul and I were talking and we think the 3vz should be ok running 7 psi that equates to 310 bhp and 339 ft/lbs of torque for the standard camry. Not bad figs eh?

Not sure on the unichip, Pauls a bit fan of the megasquirt and I've looked @ the smt6.

If I was in your'e shoes I would prob go for the 3vz as well mate.

Thanks for the info. Helps a lot. Not found much on the history/revisions of the 3VZ - do you happen to know if there is an "ideal" year/revision to look for along the similar lines of a rev3+ 3SGTE etc? Just wondering if they all use airflow meters, or if later ones use map sensors (again as with the 3Sgte). How does the 3VX compare weight wise to an 3Sgte?

Done a quick search on autotrader, and there are a fair few listed on there. A couple below a grand too, one with relatively low mileage too. Just want to make sure I get a good 'un/ideal engine if I get one myself. :D

To be honest, considering the nature of the setup, I would probably go for a full management unit if I went for big power anyway. Besides, I could sell it on and get some money back for the conversion... :D Some impressive figures you quote there though. Still, I'll probably be happy with a tweaked n/a setup for a while... :D

[Fizzy]

The 3vz-fe's all use an airflow meter, but its not nearly as bad as that sounds, because its good for up to 400bhp apparently, and we arent pulling anything like that out of one...yet! :)

Sounds good. From what I've read from the like of the rev1/2 mr, I hear they are pretty expensive to replace, thats all.


3vz vs 3sgte; to be honest i dont think theres a huge difference between the two judging form from how easy they are to move around.
Same length and width as the 3s gte even with the manifolds on and an extra pair of pots- its really quite surprising for such a large capacity unit.

Sounds good! Considering that mine was originally a uk n/a anyway, with a turbo transplant, it doesn't have aircon or the additional rad, compressor etc - so it should all balance out. :D


Remember, theres also a 5vz-fe which is 3.4 litres but can be found in i believe, 4 runners and certain land cruisers/ anyone else know?

Wow! Can you actually fit one of those in a mk2? Hmmm... :D


Bang for the buck is way ahead of what you get in the 3sgte and all in N/A form too-well to start with! :)

I'll stick my neck out and say that i believe power of 260-280 n/a is perfectly possible given the right fettling on a 3vz plus theyre a bulletproof lump- Peebs engine has 165k on the clock and goes like a scalded cat on acid with a hot poker up its bottom......not that ive actually seen any of those recently though....:)

That will be plenty for me (for a while ;) ). I guess when you say "fettlin", you mean uprated cams, custom ecu/mapping etc?

I got the turbo over my old n/a mainly for the extra power - but in reflection I think its more the torque I was after, and not the all out bhp. a V6 seems ideal for what I want. :D


Im so sold on the V6 3vz that i took out a turbo 3sgte from my GT4 and put a V6 in that....hows that for commitment? :mrgreen:

Go for it, dont fight it, you know you want to and you know we all know you know you want to...er ok? :D

Yup - I think I will! Shame Paul is soo busy at the mo, as I would like to get it done by mid-end august (ready for an mr2 car run up the welsh coast ;) ). Believe he's booked up til autumn.... :( Not too sure if I would be able to do it myself, even with the assistance of my (more mechanically minded/esperienced) older brother. :(

Still - checking options, gathering info (and probably parts soon.. :P )..so who knows?

[lodgeman]

there is this 3.3 vvti v6 engine as well , dont know how easy the swap is though?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Toyota-Sienna-3-3L-V6-Engine-Only-21K_W0QQitemZ8056822068QQihZ019QQcategoryZ33615QQs sPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Fizzy]

Adam on the rolling road the car was producing 272 bhp and 278ft/lbs of torque. Thats running the standard 4 psi boost. Two runs here,first ones with the supercharger and walbro fuel pump. Second one just after the v6 install.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/UK_MRV6/2005_0111Image0003.jpg

Phil.

Hi,

Just been comparing the plots in your pic. Just wondering why theres the big dip in torque at 3-4000 rpm on the right hand (1st dyno) chart. Was thinking that it might be a tvis setup or something, but it doesn't appear to show up on your supercharger setup. (or did you have to take the tvis stuff off to fit the supercharger?).

Just dug out my last dynoplot at millways last november to compare..... :D Yeah ok, different dyno, different readings I know - but its nice to compare the power range etc. :D

Ian.

VVVVVVroom! ;)

[MRV6]

Hi mate, I think it's down to two reasons;1 it could be the tvis and 2, the car was running the standard n/a fuel pump. Paul and I changed it for a walbro fuel pump and that made a huge difference. You will be ok running a turbo fuel pump.

The supercharger replaces the tvis set up and you have a smooth power delivery from turning the key. It's hard to explain, when I put the supercharger on it felt slower because you did not get the kick from the tvis opening but when you looked @ the speedo the car was flying.

[Fizzy]

Hi mate, I think it's down to two reasons;1 it could be the tvis and 2, the car was running the standard n/a fuel pump. Paul and I changed it for a walbro fuel pump and that made a huge difference. You will be ok running a turbo fuel pump.

I'm actually running a walbro (255 something or other?) pump myself. :D Car was originally a uk na, which has had a rev 3 turbo transplant by a previous owner. Guess they didn't see much point in fitting a turbo pump when a walbro was available... :P


The supercharger replaces the tvis set up and you have a smooth power delivery from turning the key. It's hard to explain, when I put the supercharger on it felt slower because you did not get the kick from the tvis opening but when you looked @ the speedo the car was flying.

Hmmm....sounds nice. Smoooooth power delivery instead of the rush/kick at 4k when the turbo lets loose on my current setup....:D