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Paul Woods
03-05-2006, 18:38
Right ,this is where i'll detail lodges v6 build up,as you may or may not know alan has done a lot of prep work with the engine,it all arrived in boxes! lots of goodies inside them too.
So today was spent building the engine up to look like an engine again,first of all i painted the block glossy black,makes it look ard as nails lol then heads went on ,new stretch bolts and gaskets and the top end built up,cams fitted....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alansblockblack.jpg
Next came timing belt fitment....lots of bits were needed to make it this complete...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alanstimingbelt.jpg
Then the cam covers,painted tango orange by lodge...i was wary of the colour but they look awesome fitted...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/camcoverson2.jpg
Then the injectors were resealed,fresh o rings all round and fuel rails bolted down...also fitted brand spankin genuine toyota spark plugs,kindly donated to the project by me! i won them for 99p months ago,i get to keep nowt.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/fuelrailson.jpg
Next cam wiring harness,it needs to be added at this stage as you'd never get it fitted under the manifold when that goes on....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/harnessfitted.jpg
Starting to look like a 6 again...last job of the day was to bolt the flywheel up (cracking work once again adam 10/10)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/flywheelon.jpg
Tomorrow will see the clutch fitted,gearbox attached and see how many nuts and bolts are left in the boxes lol
That is looking really, really good :drool: your approaching the point where a normal person would start having doubts as to wether it really will fit (even though you know it does). I'm sure you've been called many things Paul, but not normal so no worries there. Keep the pics coming, this one i'm really looking forward to.:thumbsup:
Paul Woods
03-05-2006, 19:11
cheers row,quite looking forward to hearing this one fire up myself,the last 4 have been turbo swaps so its nice to get working on a growler again :)
Jiff Lemon
03-05-2006, 19:44
Following this thread with OBVIOUS reasons! Think that TB should have a whip round and buy you a new shiney camera! :)
Following this thread with OBVIOUS reasons! Think that TB should have a whip round and buy you a new shiney camera! :)
Yep Me too Jiffy, Good work so far Paul.
great handywork paul:high:.. looking :drool: so far, this will be one of the nicest motors on the club when done i look forward to seeing it.
alan, youve outdone yourself :praise2: ..that engine prepped very nicely, that will make a lovely puuurrrrr just like a real pussy :mrgreen:
Jiff Lemon
03-05-2006, 22:35
Paul, Injector O-rings? Toyota part or off the shelf jobby?
Btw, what are these "goodies" of which you speak Paulio ? Or will we find out in soon enough ?
lodgeman
03-05-2006, 23:05
wow !!!!!!! that went together quickly!!! would have taken me days:hehe: as for prep... well i spent 1 whole day washing and cleaning them bits 8O i think paul would have had a fit if i gave them to him all crappy :hehe: so paul!,will i be able to pick up at the weekend?:naughty: :D :D
Paul Woods
04-05-2006, 06:42
ah the o rings came in the HG set,a very comprehensive set i have to say.
It makes the rebuild so much easier when its all clean so thanks to al for that.
Yeah i agree adam this car is going to be a beauty when done,im aiming to have the whole thing ready well before JAE so it can take pride of place.
goodies peebs,just lots of new stuff and polished/clean parts...
ive come up with an idea,lilys bay is currently empty....no im not going to fit alans v6 and bugger off to spain,but i can build a mk1 v6 engine jig! always talked about doing it so nows the perfect chance,build jig then fit jig to lodges car,fit v6,job done! jig can then join tother jig on its uk tour.
Jiff Lemon
04-05-2006, 09:06
Ah I shall check my head gasket set for them buggers then! (It's still all sealed, but looks equally comprehensive!).
Jig sounds like a good plan - Hoping mine will be done by JAE too!
Paul Woods
04-05-2006, 18:52
right today i did an irish jig,ok poor joke....but how about a v6 one instead!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/v6jig.jpg
This is taken straight off lilys engine bay,took a few hours but it works a treat....i'll use this to fit lodges v6.I should add that this works with the st185/v6 auto shaft combo and not the turbo shaft set up.
It then occured to me that because the drivers side mount is a custom jobbie with a modified base that the jig will only work with this mount.So i took my old modified drivers mount and made a mini jig for that too...so that subsequent mk1 v6 drivers mounts could be fabbed up in this little jig,that way i know it will sit in the correct position in the main engine jig.
Basically one is no good without the other! a matched pair of jigs....i said jigs not jugs.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/jig3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/driversmountjig1.jpg
This engine mount jig is made from a 3vz-fe engine bracket and bits of scrap steel,here you can see the modified turbo mount added.
Heres a fresh bit of info...i dont think i included this is my original v6 article,when you use the 3vze fly thats machined to fit a very small area of the gearbox bellhousing fouls on either the clutch or flywheel and it needs grinding down.
Please note this does not need doing with a 1mz-fe flywheel,only the 3vze fly thats been machined,dont ask me why,it just does.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/gearboxgrind.jpg
So after a day of jigging the clutch was fitted and gearbox bolted into place....its a complete lump now.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/gearboxfitted.jpg
lodgeman
04-05-2006, 23:57
that really did come together quickly, good bit of info on the bellhousing- you had'nt mentioned that before! one thing that i didnt get around to sorting was the oil pressure adapter. i know jb had an adapter but not sure how you got around the problem? looking good though and thingamyv6jig sorted as well:boogie:are all the mountings you need in that box?
Jiff Lemon
05-05-2006, 00:02
Doesn't it need a tapered BSP fitting? He did tell me when I visited but I've got a memory like one of those things you drain cooked stuff in....
Paul Woods
05-05-2006, 06:32
yeah all the mountings are there al,its the 3vze ring gear position thats fouling the bump on the box,it sits 5mm further out than a 1mz or turbo gear....still 10 secs with mr grinder cures it!
Dont worry about oil pressure sender,i'll sort that....you know the brake servo fitting on a 4a-ge inlet manifold? same thread as the sender switch...so i weld (surprise surprise!) a female brake pipe end onto this fitting so that the mk1 sender screws into the brake pipe end and the brake servo fitting screws into the block,it also needs a 45* bend in the fitting to clear the oil filter assembly.
When i come to do it i'll detail that.
lots of jigging in woodsville,.. that engine mount jig is a work of art!.
if you need any fittings, i can do the oil pressure sender things.. i'll just be knocking up a extension for mine :)
Paul Woods
06-05-2006, 17:14
cheers adam,but all in hand mate,as the prozzie said to the vicar.
so,with an few hours to kill on friday afternoon i dropped alans 4a-ge out....1hr 35,a new record by 4 minutes ,go me.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsengineout1.jpg
alan will be the first to admit its a bit of a grotty bay,a few licks of 2k 020 white will soon have that looking right!
Monday sees the bay stripped out,wall cut,and the new v6 jig stuck in place,its all go!
lodgeman
06-05-2006, 17:25
yes i will agree with you! that engine bay was oilier than a.............. oily thing:rofl: :rofl: definately needs some painting! lol still at least you wont have to drop the tank!!!!! lol have you decided where you are putting the pump yet?
superchargedsam
06-05-2006, 18:41
i can also confer this bay aint the cleanest eh al ! ;)
That engine looks very nice Alan! Should be ready for next Bank Hol.
I'm going to have to go sick from work or work nights now!
Jiff Lemon
06-05-2006, 21:10
You me and me both JB!
Only snag is - I'm doing mine AT work :banghead:
Paul Woods
09-05-2006, 19:08
right with the bay stripped out and engine mounts removed (no going back now al!) i put some thought into the rear firewall.Im going to try something different on this,instead of ripping a section of wall out and having to rebuild it back in,ive made a few select cuts in some places so that i can bend the wall to suit whatever new shape it has to be.It can then be plated up nicely and seam sealed so it looks like a stock toyota wall.......the second i saw the results of the cutting and bending i knew this is the way i should have done mine,i just know thats going to look factory when its done....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsbootpanel3.jpg
Its just a subtle bend back just around the manifold area,this will keep the boot seal in play,this has got to be the no fuss way although i do like JB's method a lot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsbootpanel2.jpg
Now as for the notch that needs cutting in the rear crossmember so that the lambda sensor has clearance,im going to blank off the manifold where it sits and mount the sensor lower down on the exhaust downpipe,so no cutting of the rear member this time.
The V6 jig is now in the bay,no pic sorry i forgot! and awaiting the steel plates for mount making.....for info the plates im having cut are not really the same shape at all as the turbo ones in the download section,the drivers one sits further forward and is taller...i'll upload the templates for the v6 engine mounts later this week for Jiff and co.
Jiff Lemon
09-05-2006, 19:38
Ooooo Liking the Firewall plan - Be very interesting to see how that one develops; Still going to hatch the back for plug access?
And new mounts? Thought we just used the tubby mounts?
Just an idea for the lambda sensor - Reckon its possible to use the EGR hole for a universal one?
Paul Woods
09-05-2006, 20:33
well the mounts for the v6 are slightly different,especially the drivers side,its taller and sits further forward so will have a different inner wing shape to it,pass side can be trimmed down turbo plates,if you wait a few days i'll scan in v6 plates.
Plugs can still be changed or if tight the plenum can come off in 20 mins ,good idea on the lambda provided it doesn't fry in that spot
Jiff Lemon
09-05-2006, 20:48
Not a problem to wait a few days - Looks like the set of plates thats arriving in the post for me shortly will be up for grabs though!
BTW - If you want some EGR blanking plates, got my bro making some up (then again, you've probably got as much sheet steel as he has!)
That firewall mod is certainly looking very promising in its new evolutionary guise, definatley the way to go. Looks like a lot less hassle too, fine work Mr Woods.
lodgeman
09-05-2006, 21:54
i've changed my mind ! can you just put the 4age back in?:hidesbehi looking good paul ! and am liking the rear wall mod!:thumbsup: as for changing the plugs ........ do i have to?lol looks as though i will be having a adamh set of mounts for sale as well!!
Paul Woods
10-05-2006, 06:15
chaps im not saying the turbo mounts wont work,they will give a starting point,but will need reshaping and modifying to work as the v6 engine mounts sit further forward,not by much but enough to change the inner wing shape of the mounts,also it depends how you attach the turbo engine mount onto the drivers side of the engine,that will affect the chassis position and height.My drivers mount is quite compact and even so i found the mounting holes sit quite near the top of the chassis plates....so lodges new set of plates are taller to accomodate and provide more area for the bolt hole on the drivers side.To be honest its only the drivers side thats different at all really,you could use the passenger plates with a little trimming.
Yeah i do like this wall mod,slice it,bend it back,bend the top lip up so its flush again,plate it up,seam seal....it'll look factory.I dont know why i didnt think of it sooner,probably because i wanted to put the complete V6 in from the top when i did it so just hacked the whole wall out.Im going to stick it in from underneath JB stylee but minus its inlet plenum,then stick that on after.
Plugs wont be a prob,you can get to them (just) but the plenum comes off quite easily if needed,anyway ive just stuck a brand new set of toyota platys in there so it should be good for the next 3 trillion miles :)
I'll scan in some v6 templates in a few days lads. :thumbsup:
oh al...i will put the 4a-ge back in for you mate,it'll have 2 extra cylinders on it though and sound a bit meatier but just ignore that :)
Paul Woods
11-05-2006, 17:38
ive done v6 mount plates today so i'll scan them in and post them up in a bit.
Today saw the v6 jig mounted and the plates welded in....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/jiginbay2.jpg
One v6 jig
heres the drivers side plates welded in,just the top section to add,i stick the mount in when welding to stop the brackets "pulling"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsdriversmount.jpg
And the passenger side,again i need to add the top plate,also i found a nasty rot area on the inner wing just above the mount,im going to plate this up solid with fresh steel and weld that to the mount.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alspassmount.jpg
^ i can see the pub from ere!
i ran out of grinder cutting discs so i made this neat heatshield where the gear cables run next to the exhaust manifold,well they touch it actually on the v6 so this stops things melting!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/extraallyshield.jpg
Thought you might like to see a car thats come in for the 1.5 treatment...its the cleanest silver mk1b ive ever seen,stunning car,shame its bottom ends gone! still its getting a 3s-gte so alls well!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/silvermk1b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/silvermk1b2.jpg
A beauty! right more mount welding tomorrow,and rear wall building,then it all gets seam sealed,painted out and the engine/box goes in,you know the rest!
lodgeman
11-05-2006, 17:48
i cant believe that after all that welding i did, that there is still more! bugger:sad: still at least it will be solid after all this:boogie: lovely looking silver mk1 , seems almost a shame to rip it apart..............not:)
lodgeman
11-05-2006, 17:52
oh i forgot! i still have the dipstick here! found it when i was clearing out the cellar:doh: was hanging up after i painted it, and forgot to include it with the other stuff. will post with the other bits i have got here. :)
Paul Woods
11-05-2006, 18:32
you dipstick :)
^^ :woods:
good progress on the lodge mobile i see.. i look forward to seeing that :mrgreen: ..and as lodge is only a while away, i mihgt get the chance if he lets others see it !:jump: ..
yes, tis a nice silver one, whos is it?
Looking good Paul. I like the firewall plan, a lot less work than mine, but with similar benefits. Removing the plenum to do the plugs seems strange at first because we are so used to just removing them direct on most cars. But actually it is no big deal and only needs doing very rarely.
I have just remounted my O2 sensor in the rear downpipe and with careful sighting it can still be removed with exhaust in place and does not block access to the downpipe/manifold nuts. The wire should still reach too.
lodgeman
11-05-2006, 22:26
^^ :woods:
good progress on the lodge mobile i see.. i look forward to seeing that :mrgreen: ..and as lodge is only a while away, i mihgt get the chance if he lets others see it !:jump: ..
if you got yours finished you could come up and see it :gay:
lodgeman
11-05-2006, 22:27
jb? how far away from finishing are you? will yours be at jae?
if you got yours finished you could come up and see it :gay:
:poke2:
superchargedsam
11-05-2006, 23:46
lodge dont pressure Mr H he is doin important turbo work !
lodgeman
12-05-2006, 00:23
mr h works well under pressure , he has a good knack of sitting on his genny box working out formulai for you lot!!!!!:hehe:
superchargedsam
12-05-2006, 00:25
lol true
lodgeman
12-05-2006, 00:30
word:praise2: hes the kiddy.....
Paul Woods
12-05-2006, 06:23
thanks JB,i think i didnt sit down and think about things properly on my swap (maybe cos i didnt have a genny box to sit on! :) )
JB you know the gear cables running up against the exhaust problem? i was thinking if the gearcable bracket was cut and angled slightly it would direct the fouling one away from it,but i think im right in presuming the distance between the bracket and linkage is crucial for gear selection,whats your thoughts?
Jiff Lemon
12-05-2006, 07:58
Paul, I suggested a similar thing to JB - Cut the gearchange cable brakets and move them back a couple of cm at the lever end. That should reduce the overall length of the outer cable, leaving the inner to be cut down to be adjusted (which we have to do anyway).
Now at the moment, its all theory (Jiff sat in his armchair mechanic role). Sound plausible?
Lodge I am really hoping to be at JAE and that MOT won't be delayed by engine change, emissions test etc When I get chance I will post on progress in V62nd
Paul yes I have been playing with a bracket mod like you mention but not solved it yet, as you say, a change in lengths could be a problem. May be easier to just shroud cable to get by for now. Custom exhaust will remove problem in future!
Jiff your suggestion is about bracket at lever end but Paul is talking about gearbox end.
lodgeman
12-05-2006, 08:34
is it the manifold or the down pipe that is in the way?
The cable runs up against the downpipe where it bolts onto the manifold
Paul Woods
12-05-2006, 17:45
yes its just the downpipe,i think just altering the angle of the bracket on the box might help....mine was ok,just close and it worked which is the main thing.Im going to take another look at it on monday and see if theres a permenant solution,but first i need to build a genny box to sit on and think!
back to the swappage,right first job today was to blank off the lambdooda sensor on the rear bank,easy job...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/lambdablanked.jpg
Then finish off the engine mounts,i stuck a good patch over the gaping hole in the passenger side and then welded the mount to it,followed by a nice seam welded top onto the mount,strong as ships...will look belter when seam sealed and painted....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/passengermountedplated.jpg
Then the drivers side top,this was a funny old plate,it needed a slot cutting in it so i could weld through onto the mount bracket....worked well though.....here it is in situ...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/driversmounttopinsitu.jpg
And solidly welded...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/driversmounttopwelded.jpg
So thats the chassis mounts finished,just seam sealing and painting to do before the engine plops in the hole.....oooh isnt this exciting kiddies! :)
yup..im as excited as a stephen hawking after finding out a E153 will fit his chair..
nice mountage brother paul..
lodgeman
12-05-2006, 17:52
oooooh oooooh that is looking good sir!cant wait for engine fitting! excellent work by the way:praise2: sent the bits today so you should get them soon- royal mail - so you may not get them at all!:whistle:
Paul Woods
12-05-2006, 17:58
yes indeedy im still waiting for a pair of springs to arrive from farmer senior....
step 1: pull finger out of ass
step 2: your own ass not someone elses
step 3: sniff to check
step 4: get james to send springs
yep looking good alan,ive made a better job of these mounts than lilys,learning as we go!
he said hed send them..hes a pita for being a laxy btard..the post office is in his 'kin village..!!! will ring him tonite..btw will you please reply to your email so i can get to work on the site..?!
Paul Woods
12-05-2006, 18:07
as soon as i find a bloody flash player! cant seem to get onto a site that will let me d/load flash 8...anyone got one?
urm...what about http://www.adobe.com/ or is that too easy..?
Paul Woods
12-05-2006, 18:21
ive been trying to open the adobe page for the last half hour,it aint having none of it.......
right..can you view flash when browsing the tinternet..? if so i will embed the movie into a web page so you can view it..
Paul Woods
12-05-2006, 18:25
yes! i can indeed,that was puzzling me,why can i view flash on the web but not open a swf file on its own? im better with spanners trust me
5 mins and i'll pm you a URL..
Gary Symons
12-05-2006, 20:48
yes! i can indeed,that was puzzling me,why can i view flash on the web but not open a swf file on its own? im better with spanners trust me
To open a flash file on your harddrive assuming flash is installed, right click on swf file in windows explorer and click 'open with' select internet explorer and tick the box if you want it to remember this setting.
BTW: flash player is here:
http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&promoid=BIOW
lodgeman
12-05-2006, 23:18
paul, just a question about the rear firewall, i was looking at the underside of an old bootlid and was trying to work out how it was going to seal as its an odd shape, not flat. have you ideas on the subject?
Paul Woods
13-05-2006, 07:55
jb and i have discussed this at length and unless the underside of the boot lid is modified so that the raised part of it where it hits the seal is moved to match the firewall then the seal wont lie on it....but we dont think this will be an issue,the water will go down the gap between boot lid and engine lid and then run down the firewall and out the bottom,there shouldnt be any making its way into the boot.If it does then the underside of the boot lid will need modifying to seal against the new firewall position.
Jb's seal doesnt actually sit against anything either but we both think the water will channel away as the lip is now further under the boot lid than it was before,lets see what happens mate,it shouldnt be a prob.
lodgeman
13-05-2006, 08:44
i was just wondering as to whether it would close or not but you obviously have it in hand!:thumbsup: bugger about the camry! but i am sure another one will come up!:pray:
Paul Woods
13-05-2006, 08:57
ah closing isnt a problem,pushing the wall further back lowers its top edge a little,so its all good!
yeah i missed out that time on the camry,really thought ?230 would buy it.
Phew this thread's moved on a bit, good stuff Paulio, get that lump in there !
Paul Woods
15-05-2006, 18:15
lots done today... started plating up the rear panel,the idea being to make the final wall look as stock as possible...here it is plated up...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsbootplated.jpg
Then it was all ground off and seam sealer applied as nicely as possible to keep things looking neat...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsbootseamsealed1.jpg
Then the whole bay was treated to 2k toyota superwhite,i think this looks really good even if i do say so myself,why didnt i do mine like this????
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsbaypainted1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsbaypainted3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsbaypainted4.jpg
So,all being well the V shaped 6 cylinder thing goes into the bay tomorrow.
mart1975
15-05-2006, 18:18
wasnt too sure at first but thats looking good
That looks well good Paul. I assume there isn't any need to have a removable panel for access with the V6. This could probably be done with the 3SGTE swap too. I suppose if there was a need to gain access to the tubby lump that combining Mart's solution and this one would solve that problem while retaining the "stock" look.
Paul Woods
15-05-2006, 18:44
no need for a removable panel on the v6 but id keep with a removable panel on the turbo....theres lots of widgets under the inlet manifold of a 3s...t-vis,t-vsv,knock sensor,pipes etc...its nice being able to get to all of those without breaking your neck under the car.
Looks great that Paul :praise2:
looking good, heh.. stop ttp out of my jenny.. best idea's arise from a good sesh on the box!. i can build them to order you know :mrgreen: ..
exciting day tommorow then.. i've set the video plus!
lodgeman
16-05-2006, 15:57
been away for a couple of days, so dont take my silence as a negative thing lol looks really good paul - well excellent in fact!!!:thumbsup: looks like toyota should have made them that way from the factory;) so much better than my dirty old one that was there!!! have those bits got to you yet? oh and by the way !!! ;) there is a audi tt twin exit 220bhp exhaust on its way to you! if when it gets there its unuseable dont worry i will get some thing else!
oh and adam you are in deep dooo dooos [:( forgot an anniversary card when i was with you on saturday........lol and i blamed it on you!rotflmao rotflmao
and adams genny box is worthy of any chipp'ndale .......
........ cartoonlol lol lol lol lol
Paul Woods
16-05-2006, 18:42
well,the amount i got through today was quite good...it started off by decrapping the inlet manifold and binning all of the EGR shite! this is reported to give 25bhp so happy days ! two plates cover the old EGR holes in the manifold and i welded up the cast manifold hole.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/manifolddeegrd.jpg
So no big bundles of useless vac pipes on this engine,clean and decluttered....bonus is no carboning up of the TB.
Ok on with the big stuff,starting with jacking the car up with my jack beam and then supporting with wagon axle stands! brutal!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/carjacked.jpg
Then the engine/box was shoved underneath....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsv6enginepusjedunder.jpg
And then i slowly lowered the car onto the engine and then used the crane to lift the engine up...here it is at the bottom of the bay,well on the floor really!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/v6atthebottomofthebay.jpg
going up!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/v6onitswayup.jpg
and i do believe in!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/v6inwithmanifoldon.jpg
Attached the manifold,rear wall looks spot on to me,not bad with my measuring thumb these days.
Now doesnt that look happy in there!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/v6indriversview2.jpg
Next came a dummy fit of AFM pipework and some shiney custom bends and induction kit...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/v6airfilterandafm.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/v6airfilterandafmrearview.jpg
And with engine cover added...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/v6airfilterandcover2.jpg
Oh almost forgot,before any of this happened i mounted the in line fuel pump on the bulkhead just below the fuel filter.The feed comes into the pump,then out to the base of the filter...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/fuelpumplocation.jpg
And also made a mk1 oil pressure sender fit the v6...im doing a mini write up on this with step by step pics for those following as it can be a trciky little problem.
So the engines in,just got stuff to connect up....a million little jobs before fire up! i can just see a big purple horny hippo doing the who's the daddy dance :)
mart1975
16-05-2006, 18:45
very nice, someones been busy today!
Paul Woods
16-05-2006, 19:02
spanners flyin mate.....oh ive got a parcel on its way to you tomorrow,sorry for being a lazy twat.
mart1975
16-05-2006, 19:09
cheers bud
heh heh.. just look at that :praise2: .. it looks at home in that bay for sure.. perfectly shaped bay :thumbsup:, only one of those in the world that shape... (stop the jokes about lodge now people :naughty: )
quality install! built, mounted, painted..vroom vroom!
:driving:
Bloomin heck that was quick... one blink and you might have missed it... :praise2: I spent a whole day trying to fit a chargecooler to a mk2... ended up with just the radiator fitted at the front and the pipework done and there was two of us doing it!.... in the same time you've dropped an engine into a mk1 ..... I'm quitting now :rant:
lodgeman
16-05-2006, 21:50
wow mate! that looks the dogs danglies:praise2: i am liking the shiny bits as well! and 25 bhp extra as well! what can i say " you be the man"the fit is excellent !! the bay really fits the angles of the plenum. i am sending you another exhaust as well as the audi one- just a standard tubby one - decide what you want to do when they arrive. it certainly is coming along well though! you happy with it?
Paul Woods
17-05-2006, 06:31
cheers chaps! yeah im happy with it so far,the rear wall is a nice shape,the seam sealer is a little rough,i may do something to tart that up but the top edge is hidden under the boot lid,not sure wether its worth bothering with as toyota slap seam sealer all over the place anyway.
yep send up zausts,by the way i dont seem to have the V6 downpipes? unless im not looking through the boxes properly? i got your package with pipes/dipstick etc but i think im missing the v6 downpipes? give me a slap if its here already.
To be honest this is a much neater install than my own v6 was,i threw mine in in a few days and got it functional.
Oh that fuel pump al,its got no direction of flow on it? instructions dont say either....so ive guessed! if it doesnt pump i'll just turn it around.So do i leave the original pump disconnected or do i have that pumping too?
fantastical work as always paul..
i think you can leave the original pump there and have the inline pull through it or you can have the mk1 pump on as well..the inline is gonna pull whatever you do imho..
lodgeman
17-05-2006, 08:51
the downpipes are in the boxes that i brought up to you with the car- they are marked, there is also a box of bends etc and old parts that were in with it as well. as for the pump ... from what i have read you leave the pump working as normal( as per what nik said) :hehe: :hehe:
mart1975
17-05-2006, 08:54
i knew my lifeboat orange would catch on lol
Jiff Lemon
17-05-2006, 09:01
Loving it! Tis inspiring work - I really should try and get the lump out of mine this weekend. AAARRRRGGHHH Except I can't move it now cos it's got no rear brakes! Stop the work on Lodges, get on with the big brakes I say! :)
lodgeman
17-05-2006, 09:08
oi! mr jiffy :) dont go telling him to stop work on my car!:whistle: what do you need brakes for anyway? they only slow you down!!!!!!:woods:
Loving it! Tis inspiring work - I really should try and get the lump out of mine this weekend. AAARRRRGGHHH Except I can't move it now cos it's got no rear brakes! Stop the work on Lodges, get on with the big brakes I say! :)
Whadaya mean you cant move it.....just cable tie the rear calipers up out of the way and get the wheels back on. The stock rear brakes are over rated anyhow.rotflmao rotflmao rotflmao
superchargedsam
17-05-2006, 12:59
Jiff thats a feable excuse ! put some blocks of wood between the pads if current calipers on there and tie them out the way like rowan says and get it moved no biggy ! you got a gearbox aint ya use that ! ;)
That looks superb, Paul, it fits the bay just right...or should I say that bay fits the engine just right :cool:
Lodge : That engine colour scheme looks familiar m8 :gay:
(didn't think you were after an exhaust though, so double thnx for bringing me the TRD matey) - sounds wicked, will pass MOT too ! Bonus :thumbsup:
Goldy : This is called PAIN!
(two hours to fit a bloody mesh grille - without removing the bumper)
OUCH! (a smiley with a big red hammer-smacked thumb would be nice here)
Goldy : This is called PAIN!
(two hours to fit a bloody mesh grille - without removing the bumper)
OUCH! (a smiley with a big red hammer-smacked thumb would be nice here)
lol 2 hours.... dunno why it took you so long.... you didn't try and put it in all in one go did you? Its easier if you chop it in half and do both halves. Took me under an hour to do mine, thats with me cutting the grill out myself. Tho it is tight town there, sliced my fingers a little but thats about it really..
Nice hands by the way :shifty:
superchargedsam
17-05-2006, 14:10
good job there aint no religous freaks on here (sorry if there is) as it they could be flocking round you seeing wounds like that !
superchargedsam
17-05-2006, 14:19
also peebs you sure you aint dead as they is might white ! (as in very anemic looking not the old school bread)
welly_59
17-05-2006, 14:20
Goldy : This is called PAIN!
(two hours to fit a bloody mesh grille - without removing the bumper)
OUCH! (a smiley with a big red hammer-smacked thumb would be nice here)
i'd get that checked out if i was you mate, i thought leprosy wasnt very common anymore?
Paul Woods
17-05-2006, 18:04
al i must not be looking properly! cant see them downpipes anywhere! mind you i am wading through boxes over there :) im self sufficient in ebay packing materials for the next year!.....i'll have a proper look tomorrow.
So i wire up the stock pump too,got it.
lodgeman
17-05-2006, 18:08
they were in a polystyrene box! perhaps you may be looking for the complete part? i have seperated them and are in 2 pieces. so look like 1 pipe with flange and 1 pipe with flange and flexi. i will look here just in case i didnt pack them.:hehe:
i'd get that checked out if i was you mate, i thought leprosy wasnt very common anymore?
come to india..it is..!
Lol, at you guys comments about my wrists, took me so long cos those are friction burns off the radiator fins from getting my chubby wrists down that lil' gap a million times I got the wounds within the first ten mins, didn't notice it at first then, hmm, ow that hurts abit...even after I had finished they didn't look any more than a little red mark, next day was AGONY, I wont go into details of puss weepage or having to bend ones hands - at all, or put on wooly jumpers!!! OR TOUCH ANYTHING WITH THEM! OWWW!
And as for the skin tone, sorry, but I could not confirm as to whether or not I still, have a pulse. Still it's alway bin that way...maybe I am part Albino...eyes sensitive to light, light skin, ginger pubes, naff hair, bad food, worse weather, mary fooking poppins...
Sorry for, :hijack: Guys
I'll shuddup now till I have summat useful to say :)
Paul Woods
18-05-2006, 18:20
getting back on topic from peebs wrist deformaty (we really know how that happened) :)
lodge sent me an audi TT backbox he snagged on ebay....rather nice i say!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/audiboxwithflange.jpg
so i spent today making it fit plus i had to make a complete downpipe system from scratch.
First thing was to weld a flange onto the audi box,theres no way i could make this a one piece effort so it needs to be splitable for future maintenance...to get this box to work on a mk1 v6 it needed to be mounted upside down so that the inlet port had a chance to meet the downpipes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/boxflange.jpg
Next up the rear downpipe,by far the trickiest,had to sweep down sharply and exit rearward,so i swept it into a Y piece and managed to get a small flexi on there too...here are the component parts...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/reardpparts.jpg
and welded....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/reardpweldedwithflange.jpg
Now ive missed a few steps out here,mainly because it took 8 hours to make this frigger but here it is complete with the front section grafted in too...no restrictions on this fella,should be good for 20bhp of anyones money.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/completedp2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/completedp.jpg
Its just needing VHT paint now to tidy it up.
And heres the system fitted to the car,brum brum!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/silncerfitted1.jpg
Al i can leave that as it is or cut the tails and move them closer to the rear valence,whatever you want really.
lodgeman
18-05-2006, 18:44
well mate that is fricking amazing!!:clap: :clap: sorry to make life difficult for you!:icon_eek: 8 hours ! how much of that was spent cussing and calling me names?:roll: when i cut the old system up i didnt realise it was going to be that hard! but ....... that works really well! first with an audi exhaust? i am happy to let you decide on the rear pipes - whatever you think ! i will be happy either way:shades: that exhaust was ?20 by the way! looks a good fit in the space though- its flatter is'nt it ? space is ok with the box? looks like i have a standard tubby exhaust to sell then?:hehe:
lodgeman
18-05-2006, 18:46
looking at it again , i think that is going to sound awsome! cant wait for the startup vid!
Paul Woods
18-05-2006, 18:57
yeah first time this has been fitted to a mk1,works really well,plenty of space for it,this would be a piece of piss to slap straight onto a stock mk1 (provided u turn it upside down!) ,im happy with it!
Oh ive got to weld on the rear lambda flange tomorrow so theres somewhere for the sensor to go,forgot that today.
Oh also fitted the gear cables,managed to retain your quickshift,was tricky but managed! also i fitted those new bearing bushes to the cable ends.Ive also shortened your bracket at the stick end where the cables pass through,this has given the cable more slack at the fouling downpipe area,i dont think its going to be an issue at all now.
Jiff Lemon
18-05-2006, 19:13
Oh also fitted the gear cables,managed to retain your quickshift,was tricky but managed! also i fitted those new bearing bushes to the cable ends.Ive also shortened your bracket at the stick end where the cables pass through,this has given the cable more slack at the fouling downpipe area,i dont think its going to be an issue at all now.
So the Jiff had a decent idea for a change?
looking good, lodge has gone german on us!.. your gonna need all of that quickshift :mrgreen: :pumped:
Cool, nice simple ex design Paul, bet it will work a treat. My 2p is, you should cut the pipes down a bit and turn them the right way round too. How was it for bracketry ?
Paul Woods
19-05-2006, 06:22
brackets were easy,two long 12mm bolts welded to the box each side fit the hangers,they need tidying today so they look right and triangulating for a bit more strength.
Paul Woods
19-05-2006, 18:09
ok things are picking up speed,today i worked on mounting the rear lambda sensor,remember the rear manifold sits too close to the rear crossmember to allow it there without notching the crossmember so it goes on the downpipe instead.
First i made a flange out of 4mm plate using the lambda gasket as a template,welded two bolts through it....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/lambdafitting.jpg
Then notched out the downpipe to take the flange....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/notchinexhaust.jpg
Placed the fitting over the hole and tacked in place...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/fittingplaced.jpg
Then welded it solid and fitted the lambda sensor...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/fittingwelded.jpg
Worked a treat.
Here are the downpipes all painted with black VHT,black makes it go faster trust me..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/downpipespainted.jpg
and the rear silencer...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/silencerpainted.jpg
Got lots of stuff hooked up in the bay too...rad pipes are done,fuel pipes secure etc...not long to go now.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/bayupdated.jpg
Jiff Lemon
19-05-2006, 18:16
we got snaps of the gear linkage mod yet? And have you flipped the rad pipe 180 degrees or done something funky?
Truely inspiring stuff!
Paul Woods
19-05-2006, 18:24
i'll take some gear bracket pics tomorrow,and yep ive flipped the NS rad pipe 180*,best way really...just little things to do including wiring the sucker up,cant wait to hear that exhaust.
Marksman
19-05-2006, 18:26
Paul, the writing on the engine is the wrong way round, do you think you could whip the engine out, make it run backwards and then plonk it in tother way round?
Ta,
Owen.
Had a ride over today and was impressed with the conversion. Can't wait til it's done. It will be interesting to see how the car drives with all that low down torque. It should be some weapon. I'm also keen to see if this egr mod works. Top work mate. Liked that silver mk1, nice clean car looked well.
lodgeman
19-05-2006, 22:07
cant belive that i will get to drive it eventually!:shades: that lambda sensor mod looks good, and am liking the go faster paint on the exhaust! any idea as to how much faster the paint will make it? are we talking 50-60 mph faster? or .05-.06 of an mph? :hehe: the exhaust is probably going to either sound absolutely fantastic 8O or like a 2cv:hehe:
the later would be funny eh!.. im sure it'l roar nicely under wot.
If there?s one thing Paul excels at its modifying exhausts
sure it will sound great:thumbsup:
Paul Woods
20-05-2006, 06:34
cheers stu! yes al that paint is good for another 50bhp easily! :)
Im sure it will sound nice,if it doesnt ive designed the system in such a way that it wouldnt be hard to change the silencer while keeping the downpipes,hence the reason for the flange between the two...forward planning and all that!
Absolutely awe inspiring stuff. Top drawer.
Paul Woods
20-05-2006, 16:27
cheers olber! always nice to get good feedback!
owen just read this...
Paul, the writing on the engine is the wrong way round, do you think you could whip the engine out, make it run backwards and then plonk it in tother way round?
the second word is off mate :)
lodgeman
20-05-2006, 17:02
just a question paul? are we....... (actually that means you :hehe: ) altering the afm like whatsisname did in the usa? we didnt discuss it i know and i dont know if with all the go faster paint and stuff, that it needs to go any faster? what do you think? maybe worthwhile leaving until the engine etc is settled down? only asking as i dont actually have a timing light to alter the timing that goes with it!:shrug:
lodgeman
20-05-2006, 17:03
oh and can you change the writing on the cover to read the right way?:hidesbehi rotflmao rotflmao
nah !!!! only joking lol lol
superchargedsam
20-05-2006, 18:08
lodge dont wind Paul up as would be terrible if he drizzled some grinding paste down a spark plug hole !
Paul Woods
20-05-2006, 18:34
lol @ sam, yes that would be bad! actually a mars bar in the petrol tank is a total bastard so im told lol
lodge im itching to try that afm mod but havent got round to it yet....dont really want to try it on a customers car either,best wait until its had a few weeks running in then we can play,even if it means posting the afm up to me for doctoring. :thumbsup:
superchargedsam
20-05-2006, 18:39
oh yeah mars bar in the petrol tank eh ! is that a throw back from your original mars bar parties then eh paul ! ;) Oh and jinky and crazy say hi !
Paul Woods
20-05-2006, 18:43
no no no,just been told it clogs the injectors forever! and everything else for that matter....but slooowly ,draws out the pain of whats gone wrong for a few weeks until it packs in completely,not that id ever do such a thing of course! have you seen laurel and hardy today like? :) they have just been on the phone,ive diagnosed a fault for them just now.
superchargedsam
20-05-2006, 18:48
yeah saw them at japfest with kevs new car !
Paul Woods
20-05-2006, 18:49
whats it like? ive heard its a cracker...
superchargedsam
20-05-2006, 18:54
was lovely, I was on the verge of buying it as its an auto so ideal for commuting ! it is in stunning condition, have to say jinkys aint to clever the engine bay was awful bodywork dull interior a right state (only joking it ws really mint all over) !
is that a throw back from your original mars bar parties then eh paul!
Don't knock it til yo've tried it Sam lol
Paul Woods
21-05-2006, 09:41
jasper is that you admitting to having sexual relations with confectionery? lol
jaspers new name is hereby "kitkat" ....you get 4 fingers in a kitkat ROFL.
I admit
to nothing your honour.
Paul Woods
21-05-2006, 09:54
two fingers...oooh baby,me love you long time :)
http://img.dooyoo.co.uk/GB_EN/175/food_and_beverages/food/twix.jpg
Have you lot gone all " Mr Soft " in the head again ?
Mad, I tell ya, they're all mad...
To be honest, chocolate's too messy and it sets like concrete if you don't wash it off straight away.
Paul Woods
21-05-2006, 10:23
guilty as charged! jasper you're a sick sick man. :)
I got this for my birthday..... lol
I got this for my birthday..... lol
Oh dear...
...and that new avatar is disgusting young man! Put it away!
:)
Paul Woods
21-05-2006, 10:40
lol i was expecting some graphic image of jasper getting reemed out by a duty free king sized toblerone......out of the packet! lol
serious head on...lads we need to stop,this is ruining als v6 swap thread. :)
Driftin_AW
21-05-2006, 12:08
you know, me and my girlfriend have been talking about moving to the UK once I graduate...but I'm starting to wonder if there's something in the water up there...:gay:
welly_59
21-05-2006, 12:21
why the hell would u wanna move from NZ to the uk!
my mates old man is from NZ, came to wales for a funeral and didnt go back, nutter!
why the hell would u wanna move from NZ to the uk!
my mates old man is from NZ, came to wales for a funeral and didnt go back, nutter!
That must've been some wake....:P
Driftin_AW
21-05-2006, 12:43
well despite the many downsides of the move, from a career perspective there's a lot more opportunity to work in the fields I want to, and a lot more money to be made doing so!
superchargedsam
21-05-2006, 13:14
Jasper your one sick puppy ! luckily I was too young to be involved in any such caper ! ;)
T'was Marienne Faithfull & Mick Jagger's fault Sam.
superchargedsam
21-05-2006, 13:50
i will take your word on that one ! think Im too young to know who your on about there anyway ! :liar:
mart1975
21-05-2006, 14:00
you know, me and my girlfriend have been talking about moving to the UK once I graduate...but I'm starting to wonder if there's something in the water up there...:gay:
theres definately something in the water over here lol, i should be moving to nz within 10 years when i retire (retired at 40) as my mrs is fijian and its fairly near, hey wanna swap, i can have your car aswell!
Driftin_AW
21-05-2006, 14:49
hmmm, you got a house? if so I'll swap your house and car for our cars (all 5 of them) and you can move in to the apartment we're renting :D
mart1975
21-05-2006, 15:59
ok thats a deal, you can have the army house im renting lol
Jiff Lemon
21-05-2006, 23:49
Paul, the writing on the engine is the wrong way round, do you think you could whip the engine out, make it run backwards and then plonk it in tother way round?
Ta,
Owen.
Or cut and shut the cover to make it the right way round? :)
http://www.zen38410.zen.co.uk/MR2/Swap/Cover.JPG
THAT cover is 400 grams that nearly HALF a kilo BIN IT! LOL
lodgeman
23-05-2006, 14:39
heard my engine start and run today!!!!!!!!!! :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: smiling now lol lol
Jiff Lemon
23-05-2006, 14:59
Woohoo! Can't wait for tonights Woodsy update!
Smiling? I bet you're fidgeting to get up there!
excellent news..number 2 is alive..
Paul Woods
23-05-2006, 18:30
yes,spent yesterday wiring,it was a real refresher course on v6 wires i have to say..i just copied lilys wiring and that was that! She fired up first turn of the key but was cutting out 3 seconds after...didnt take long to realise the COR wasnt holding shut after the starter was released,so i ran an ignition live to the pump and she started and ran perfectly for ages.
I werent happy though! why was the COR not being held shut after cranking? on the 3s-gte and 4a-ge the ecu holds the COR shut after cranking has finished to continue power getting to the fuel pump,but on the v6 the AFM does the job,a wire runs from the AFM to the COR and is supposed to keep it shut....but for some unknown reason alans isnt! i triple checked the wiring,bashed head against wall and swore a lot...couldnt find a single difference between alans v6 wiring and lilys,but still it wouldnt stay running via the cor.
I found a way around it though,i still dont know why the AFM isnt holding the COR shut but i decided to make my own "holding shut" circuit.
Basically ive wired in a four pin relay,its switched circuit being an earth in and earth out set up...gave the relay itself an earth and then the relay is triggered by the live that runs from the COR to the fuel pump...so its a bit of a bizarre set up given that the COR first supplies the fuel pump and then that live triggers a second relay that in turn holds the COR providing the fuel pump with a live shut! they both rely on each other! which is perfect.....this means if the engine cuts out or the igntion switched on the fuel pump will not run unless the engines running....which is the whole point of a COR in the first place.
Upshot is i got there...i shouldnt have had to wire in the second relay but im totally stumped as to why Als AFM isnt doing its job and holding the COR shut after cranking....i even swapped AFMS with lilys and still no joy! i even tried a few COR's....nothing,but the second i earth the G/R wire thats supposed to hold the COR shut it grafted,very very odd.
Im probably waffling on to myself here,it probably doesnt make any sense to anyone! :)
So with that little glitch out of the way she purred pretty well,rang alan up to give him a listen over the phone lol ,these sixes have a lovely note and that audi box is a real success,sounds mint.
I was supposed to grab a startup vid but i was too busy so will do that tomorrow,next comes lots of coolant bleeding and ive still got driveshafts to fit and remote fit the battery,but its almost done.
Lodge im adding yours to the V6 register if nik hasnt done so already :thumbsup:
Jiff Lemon
23-05-2006, 18:53
Just a thought (first thing that popped into my head) - Are we powering/earthing two pumps and maybe its just a bit too much for the COR to cope with?
welly_59
23-05-2006, 19:14
you didnt have the wires messed up on the COR like i did did u paul? remember u told me to connect the wrong wires.........
Paul Woods
23-05-2006, 19:26
naaa welly,that was just a typo mate,ive wired up loads of 3s-gte's and this is the second v6,im 100% sure of my wiring so it has a fault somewhere but ive cured it in a roundabout way so no hassle!
Jiff ive left the in tank pump off,its just pulling through that one,only one pump running.
Jiff Lemon
23-05-2006, 19:54
Its not missing one of the millions of little earthstraps or something like that?
If you're anything like me you'll be awake all night wondering about it!
Paul Woods
23-05-2006, 20:36
ah now jifff you have triggered a thought,not the little earth straps as I have plenty of earths but I'm wondering if the v6 afm body needs earthing,its suspended on its rubber hose at the moment,that's the one thing I haven't checked and would make sense...I've wired everything up correctly but if the 3vz afm body needs earthing that could well be it....good thinking that man!
not too bothered if I can't figure it out as I found a solution anyway but it would be nice to know why the afm isn't holding the cor shut after cranking
Jiff Lemon
23-05-2006, 21:19
would make sense - Looking at your build PDF it looks like you've got the afm attached to a bracket, attached to the strut (thus earthing)
...fired up first turn of the key but was cutting out 3 seconds after...didnt take long to realise the COR wasnt holding shut after the starter was released,so i ran an ignition live to the pump and she started and ran perfectly for ages.
I werent happy though! why was the COR not being held shut after cranking? on the 3s-gte and 4a-ge the ecu holds the COR shut after cranking has finished to continue power getting to the fuel pump,but on the v6 the AFM does the job,a wire runs from the AFM to the COR and is supposed to keep it shut....but for some unknown reason alans isnt! i triple checked the wiring,bashed head against wall and swore a lot...couldnt find a single difference between alans v6 wiring and lilys,but still it wouldnt stay running via the cor...
Thats the exact same problem we had with my wiring, I wonder if this is a common problem or if some of the looms may have slight differences, or if there is another reason for it. Tony eventually sorted it for me though and it works as it should now. I'll ask him to post up his solution for you too.
great invention the relay. good work paul, look forward to hearing this one
lodgeman
23-05-2006, 23:58
glad to hear you got it sorted paul:boogie: when you rang and started the engine a shiver went up my spine:icon_eek: sounds bloody good even through a mobile device lol do you need any bits now or do you have everything? dont forget - if your testing it , the rear track bar bolts are loose and brakes have never been used !:hmm: dont want you damaging yourself, I would never live it down:doh:
Paul Woods
24-05-2006, 06:40
cheers chaps,yes jiff i'll be checking the afm body earth thing today,its only a possible mind as im pretty sure the AFM has its own earth wire anyway,but its worth checking.
I could just as easily have got rid of the cor altogether and just run the pump off the ignition,thats how a lot of cars are wired up anyway but being a stickler for detail i like to get things working how toyota wanted so its better to have the pump running only when the engine is....which it now is but only through my 2nd rigged up relay that holds the cor shut after cranking.
What i cant get my head round is the fact that the wiring is identical to lilys yet that never had this problem?
Peebs the fact that tony had this issue too may mean theres a wiring difference across the years,god knows toyota love to do that! but i couldnt see this difference at all...if you could ask tony what he did about it that would be great.
yeah ive got all parts now lodge so just stuff to connect up and away we go! im going to go through the suspension to check it all,ive noticed the drivers rear tie rod poly bush isnt squashed up like the pass side is,the nut must not be tight...i'll check em all.
lodgeman
24-05-2006, 14:48
yep ! you're right there !!!lol trying to contain my enthusiasm ....... but its difficult! seems like i have'nt driven a mk1 for ages :rant:last one i drove was the one jasper took off me hands, and the white silver one has never been driven on the roads since i beat sam to it last may! rotflmao
yep ! you're right there !!!lol trying to contain my enthusiasm ....... but its difficult! seems like i have'nt driven a mk1 for ages :rant:last one i drove was the one jasper took off me hands, and the white silver one has never been driven on the roads since i beat sam to it last may! rotflmao
you should try 2 years without driving one..its like a prison sentence..[:(
Paul Woods
24-05-2006, 18:10
excellent info tony,on lily i had it wired exactly like that though,this is what i cant understand? and this one is the same...ive got the GR wire from AFM to COR connected (the GR wire you mention on the little multiplug next to the WR doesnt have any continuity to the AFM at all on this loom) .Instead theres another GR wire in the loom that goes from the AFM to COR,thats where im wired in.....now the one thing i havent checked is that the WB on the AFM is earthed,i bet thats the boy...i'll check that first thing tomorrow! cheers tone!
Ive finished off bits n pieces today,installed driveshafts(used lilys gt4 shafts in the end as lodges were strangely too long) and shot a vid which im uploading in a mo.
do it now so i can go to bed..
Paul Woods
24-05-2006, 18:37
uploading now squire
Jiff Lemon
24-05-2006, 18:48
Blumming lovely! Truely inspirational stuff - Time for me to pull me finger out and get this thing started!
Paul Woods
31-05-2006, 08:07
progress has slowed due to other mk1's in need of TLC (mr farmers!) but i found time to relocate the battery,this one sits right in the middle at the bottom of the frunk,its earthed to the spare wheel bolt hole.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/v6batteryrelocated.jpg
Im just waiting for the battery cable to arrive and its driveable.
I think the spare wheel will sit around this battery location at an angle,if so its a better place for it,lower C of G and all that!
lodgeman
31-05-2006, 08:37
dont got a spare wheel:whistle: got green puke:boogie: and room for beer:boogie: :boogie:
Jiff Lemon
31-05-2006, 09:29
just a thought; battery looks low enough that you could put a false floor in. Make the storage of stuff a little easier?
Sponge Bob
31-05-2006, 12:00
Yeah - that would be a cool idea... could fabricate a sort of fake boot space for ease of use
i'll be sticking mine in this week sometime .. :mrgreen: most pleasing! good work cap, is lodge good to go once the cables in? i guess she needs a mot?.. other finsihing work..?
Paul Woods
01-06-2006, 06:35
needs a few jobs doing before i launch it up the road and theres painting to do before she goes south...not long now.
Hey Alan you must be getting excited!! Hope you've remembered to double your tablets!
Nice work Paul, like the battery down there!
lodgeman
01-06-2006, 22:58
yep getting excited :wave: taking me high blood pressure tablets just in case:whistle: still trying to get over my last exciting escapades:woods: still hasnt been road tested yet, bet youre as nervous as i am lol
yep getting excited :wave: taking me high blood pressure tablets just in case:whistle: still trying to get over my last exciting escapades:woods: still hasnt been road tested yet, bet youre as nervous as i am lol
cmon lodge you have nerves of steel :thumbsup: who else would play chicken with a lamp post?
Paul Woods
02-06-2006, 06:57
yes but adam mate.....the lampost won!!! :)
lodgeman
02-06-2006, 08:56
now you see!!! technically it was a draw:hehe: :moon:
lodgeman
02-06-2006, 08:59
and anotherb thing!! twas a telegraph pole :nuts: we dont have lamp posts around yere :roll: this be um country :hehe: with t' grass and cows'n'stuff lol lol ( no sheep ...... just in case the welsh lot were thinking of moving lol lol )
no sheep ...... just in case the welsh lot were thinking of moving lol lol
So what you're sayin' lodge is, there aren't signs like this anywhere near your place. lol
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/shugsta_2006/road_sign.gif
and anotherb thing!! twas a telegraph pole :nuts: we dont have lamp posts around yere :roll: this be um country :hehe: with t' grass and cows'n'stuff lol lol
Road testing up t'north with Paul should be safe then.......no telegraph poles and them carrier pigeons are a damn site easier to avoid.:hidesbehi
Paul Woods
03-06-2006, 10:48
battery cable finally fitted ,bled clutch and all engine conversion work finished so all thats left to do is chuck it up the road and see what its like!
Marksman
03-06-2006, 11:02
battery cable finally fitted ,bled clutch and all engine conversion work finished so all thats left to do is chuck it up the road and see what its like!
So what the heck are you doing online then man? TB's good but the first :driving: in a MK1 V6 is there for the taking and instead you're :nerd: , argh, get to it man.
Happy tidings,
Owen.
Paul Woods
03-06-2006, 11:11
good things come to those that wait! it'll be monday now,need to get some petrol and tighten a few loose suspension arms,then its all go.
sooperb, look forward to a woods special movie around the lanes if he gets the time.. brum brum! :popcorn:
Paul Woods
03-06-2006, 22:27
well actually niks coming here monday or tuesday so he will get to be co pilot and possibly direct the video lol
robert.sadler
04-06-2006, 15:15
Been silently watching this one inbetween trying not to kill myself in my car and can't wait to see what its like when its on the go!
lodgeman
07-06-2006, 15:58
hee hee hee :jump: :jump: :jump: lol i think there could be a update later!!!!lol :thumbsup:
Jiff Lemon
07-06-2006, 17:08
Oooooooooooooo think I'm as excited as you are Lodge!
lodgeman
07-06-2006, 17:15
words like smooth and impressed were used in low rev first run:whistle:
Jiff Lemon
07-06-2006, 17:22
Heck this is like watching an Ebay auction - I'm refreshing the page every 3 seconds!
lodgeman
07-06-2006, 17:37
you,d have thought that he would finish early on such a momentus day ? lol lol but from a conversation i had with paul this morning, i dont think we have too much to worry about lol
Jiff Lemon
07-06-2006, 17:42
The cheeky monkey is probably out giving it large in it - on the premise that he's testing the fuel consumption figures! :D
lodgeman
07-06-2006, 17:53
ssssshhhhhhhhh ! hes here!!!:hehe: :hehe:
Paul Woods
07-06-2006, 18:06
calm down girls! :)
well a mixed bag really,threw the old girl up the road a few times,first just a few low rpm shakedown runs...its a totally different experience to a mk1 turbo,cant compare them at all really...the acceleration is smooth and progressive and you end up doing lots of speed without actually realising it....now thats the good news,its looking fast,but i still feel this engine has more to give,a lot more...theres something not quite right,cant put my finger on it at the moment but it just isnt giving the wow factor that i got from phils mk2 v6 in na form,i suspect its nothing more than a teething trouble.This engine cooked quite badly in its camry and the top end sounds like it could do with shimming up...so the valves wont be getting full lift and duration also the audi exhaust silencer is a total unknown,ive no idea if thats helping or hindering power!
Early analysis is good,very good....but theres definately room for improvement,its not as fast as it should be comparing it to phils mk2 v6 pre trd sc...so im going to check compressions,check ignition timing etc etc and see if theres anything not right.
Im still not giving the car full welly up the road either,its a brand new conversion,no one has driven a mk1 v6 in the uk before and im just gaining confidence in the car at the moment,as the days go on i'll be giving it more and more stick...i tell you what though,it doesnt half sound good at high revs,like the devil in a bad mood!
So early indications are its very torquey low down and when ive ironed out any bugs i find it should be an animal....have to say its totally civilised up and down the gears,feels just right.
More to come! :thumbsup:
Jiff Lemon
07-06-2006, 18:15
like the devil in a bad mood!
:praise2:
Thank you for tonights inspirational words! Off to the warehouse i go to try and get some more done on my baby!
Bet your pacing up and down like an expectant father Lodge!
lodgeman
07-06-2006, 18:29
sounds good! i think?:hehe: at least you have something to compare it with!:shades: although was'nt phils a 1mz engine? is there differences between the two engines? excellent work though, many thanks :clap: :clap: was any part of the front suspension loose? sounds like a devil in a bad mood eh? brilliant!!! lol lol
Paul Woods
07-06-2006, 18:31
well theres 5bhp between them with the 3vz having more torque low down and 300kgs less so i was expecting more! lets see what the next few days brings,im hoping to find something not right thats easily correctable.....but at high revs it sounds bloody good!
oh nothing loose on the front,just stuff rolling about in the frunk <idiot!
I suppose you checked if the ECU is throwing up any fault codes ? Might be that it's running in limp mode.
Marksman
07-06-2006, 20:42
I suppose you checked if the ECU is throwing up any fault codes ? Might be that it's running in limp mode.
Gawd, can't wait for raging hard-on mode then...
O.S.
sitting tense to be quite honest, on edge of the leather recliner lol .. with sombre cuppa. hope it go's well over the next few days :thumbsup: :clap: .
how does the fly catch paul? any vibro from the engine?.. to be honest, its all new belts, gaskets, puleys, clean up, this / that.. would it not be tight for a few days?.. its still bordering on virginity is it not..
i remember my old 4age, it was at least a month or two before it started to break itself in, it was like running on half chat until then.. then all of a sudden..whoosh!
Paul Woods
08-06-2006, 06:30
yeah i think so chaps,its too early to tell...she needs breaking in gently,tony battery is fully charged and alt is charging fine mate....no error codes,well there wasnt yesterday,will check again today.
Theres just something not quite right,once sorted i have a feeling shes going to really fly,lets see what today brings!
Adam fly is perfect,it makes lots of sandpaper noises coming on and off the clutch,it needs to polish up before that goes! mine did exactly the same after i had it refaced..no vibration at all :thumbsup:
I'm rooting for ya Al, I really am.
1st in UK ? COOOL!
This thing should absolutely fly when its done.
superchargedsam
09-06-2006, 00:41
Al cant sleep he is so excited !
Al..u still awake? :shifty:
lodgeman
14-07-2006, 08:11
for those that have been asking about my car, this is the state of play at the moment
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/lily/alsengine.jpg
8O 8O due the the excess heat generated when the engine overheated it seems to have warped the cam carrier area and hence the clearances were all out. paul has found that the rear bank is now fairly sorted but the front bank has 4 inlets and 2 inlets that have the wrong clearances, so paul has ordered 6 new ones that toyota promised they will have by saturday!8O i only have monday to pick it up before jae so things will be a little tight:shifty: and too cap it all it failed the mot on a couple of small bits, bulbs, some more welding:roll: and a blob of weld on the steering column joint, but the main thing is, the man failed the car on the number plate letter spacings?:nuts: this i dont understand at all! its not a personal plate.... it is as far as i know the original plate from new!.... and it went through an mot here , when i put it through to see what it needed ,before i started!!! have the rules changed since last year? buggered if i know? so i should be at jae with the car but.................. you never know with cars !!!! they tend to do things that you dont want them to do! :wierd2: like find telegraph poles in the middle of nowhere!!!!! lol lol lol anyway paul you are a hero:clap: and sorry for all the hassle caused! i am sure you dont need it with all the other things going on at the moment!!!!:shifty: :shifty:
MegatronUK
14-07-2006, 08:21
Al, I know exactly what you're going through mate; it's the same kind of "ARGH! not another problem!" we had with gearboxes and driveshafts.
I hope all the problems haven't put you off, because I'm sure it will be more than worth the wait once it's finished :)
lodgeman
14-07-2006, 08:24
cheers guys! apparently it has all its power now and its ...... pauls words...."pants shittingly fast" so that almost makes up for it!! lol lol
Jiff Lemon
14-07-2006, 08:31
MOT hasn't changed - Incorrect spacing has always been a failure point. However, for me it used to fall into that "let it off if it's the only fail" catagory.
Fingers crossed for you mate, Paul's not the only one rushing to get a mk1 v6 done for JAE!
Good to hear the cars on full power lodge, hope the mot stuff gets sorted and it flys through (pun intended)
Number plate spacing see below
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regmarks/reg_marks_current_requirements.htm#after2001
lodgeman
14-07-2006, 09:13
i understand the spacing issue! - what i dont understand is that it has passed all the mots from 87 on and only fails now! :hmm:
lodgeman
14-07-2006, 09:33
perhaps you lot can tell me the difference between these two plates ? because i cant! top one failed and the bottom one passed!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/lodgeman/spoiler1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/lodgeman/DSCF0012.jpg
its all sorted now but with the new rules paul couldnt get the no plates without the log book and id. so i had to have them made down here and then special delivery them to paul! bloody nonsense the lot of it!:whistle:
David Sleith
14-07-2006, 10:25
Must have been the Chav influence of that spoiler :tease:
Just a jobsworth methinks
It failed cos it's a mk1 and not a mk2 rotflmao :hidesbehi
I think it's what David ^ said
JOBSWORTH
Jiff Lemon
14-07-2006, 10:45
It's the spacing between the 6 and P - Admittedly thats almost a fecking tape measure job to distinguish; If it was the only item, I'd have issued an advisory but I'm guessing it was a "well, it's already failed, may as well add to the list".
new plate laws are bloody silly but at least the mot is slowly starting to come in line with construction and use laws; Remind me a JAE to tell you about the time I nearly had a customer and a copper having a punch up at the testing station......
David Sleith
14-07-2006, 11:01
JIff - Is there any money in the MOT business with the new rules about the logging on of a car and having to wait a pre-determined time before the next car can go through?
superchargedsam
14-07-2006, 11:08
i would have agreed with jiff as the spacing is different between the letters and numbers part on both plates but thats ferkin piccy, my charger failed last time as the front plate was at the wrong angle as it lent backwards for more air flow obviuosly ! I bent down and pulled it forward about 20 degrees and that was it then it was a pass, why the feck he couldnt have just pulled it forward and charged me a lady godiver I will never know ! more piccy than a piccy thing on a piccy day some of them ! Other halfs 3 year old megane failed on front discs (nothing wrong with them) and headlight allignment about by Zero degrees according to fail sheet, wasa cheapy ?20 MOT though so guess they wanted the work (?150 to repalce discs and align headlight, I think not Mr MOT man, discs ?50 headlight alignment ?5 thank you very much) ! best places to go for MOT are local government places where they do all the council vehicles etc as they only do MOTs and not interested (cant do) any fail work, usually ?40 but they dont mess about (may have been on here I read that actually!) !
Oh and lodge I cant wait till you take me for a blip in that lovely white over silver car of yours with spangly wheels on as sounds awsome !
Jiff Lemon
14-07-2006, 11:58
JIff - Is there any money in the MOT business with the new rules about the logging on of a car and having to wait a pre-determined time before the next car can go through?
Probably deserves it's own thread but.....
I doubt there's much money in it anymore; I used to work in an independant test centre - We didn't do ANY repairs at all (well, short of sticking a bulb in for you, tweaking the emmisions or setting a headlamp aim). I used to be able to average 15 tests a day - just over half an hour a test; That just about managed to keep the station running, paying 3 lots of wages (2 testers, 1 admin). Now the Vehicle inspectorate say thats not good enough - you need to take an hour per test. Take a 3 years old jap car on it's first test and you'll struggle like hell to take an hour to test it - there simply isn't enough to do; Now take a 15 year old metro and you'll be hard pressed to do it under 2 hours!
The really stupid part is that its GOT to be one mans job; We had 2 very experienced testers, we both knew exactly what to look for, so if one of us missed something the other would pick it up, or you had a decent second opinion on a borderline item. We'd have one of us testing vehicle emssions, whilst the other is doing doing the other parts of he test. Again, the VI say this isn't good enough.
Strangley enough, when the VI themselves test vehicles such as HGV's, it's certainly deemed fine for multiple testers to test the same vehicle.
The VI are the main reason I got out of the game. If the area manager wasn't finding testers doing wrong, he was seen to be "not doing his job". Surely if your testers are all doing their job right, then YOUR doing your job right? Each time we were inspected, we'd be told the method (usually enforced by the previous visit) of testing we were currently using was wrong. They'd argue over anything and everything, tell you black was white and vice versa.
What wound us up most, was that we WEREN'T failing cars to make work; if we failed a car, it was because it failed the standards required - not because we had an offer on tyres or had no work in that week. 90% of our customers were trade customers (who 99/100 sent a car to us with all the work done), the remaining 10% were long term customers. So because our pass rates were higher than the national average, we were deemed dodgy by the VI.
David Sleith
14-07-2006, 12:08
Good discussion point that.
Its a pity when the people in their glass towers prevent the honest hard working guy from earning a crust.
superchargedsam
14-07-2006, 13:35
Jiff was it you that mentioned about using local council test stations as I cant remeber where I heard/read about this ?
Jiff Lemon
14-07-2006, 14:56
Wasn't me Sam - But yes, most local council's have their own testing facilities.
Funnily enough our clientel included the local police and council workers - They trusted us over the council!
lodgeman
14-07-2006, 15:31
Comapny called Fancyplates will do your plates over the net no questions. :)
Havent used em myself but have heard good things.
cheers mate- yes you can get them over the net but the earliest they can be delivered is a week and the latest i can pick up the car is this monday other than that its a jae no show! so got them made locally while i waited and sent them to paul special delivery! they should be with him by now!
Paul Woods
14-07-2006, 17:57
yep i got the new plate today and i asked to see the MOT testers manual regarding the number plate spacing law.....heres the crack,the gap between the numbers and letters in the middle of the plate MUST be double the gap thats between the normally spaced digits,so if theres a 10mm gap between the 6 and the 0 then there has to be a 20mm gap between the 6 and the P...all a bit anal as its not a private plate but i guess they have to follow the rules.
I just hope shimming the engine up this time quietens it down,otherwise it looks like the heads are scrap from the amount of warping they went through,everyone pray for al!
superchargedsam
14-07-2006, 18:34
got everything corssed for ya fella !
:praise2: :praise2: :toke: :high: :pray:
Phew Al, hope it all happens good for ya matey. But whatever the outcome, ya gotta turn up at JAE :)
Good luck Alan, hope you make it.
Looking forward to meeting everyone!!
Hope it all goes well, the amount of work you've put into it, fingers crossed.
lodgeman
15-07-2006, 23:12
well................. got the news today! pauls not 100% happy with the noise but i just think he's a worry wort :hidesbehi lol wont be able to hear it when your driving at full chat anyway:driving: thanks again for your efforts paul!:thumbsup: so i am picking up monday and driving it back , so its a go for the jae weekend!:jump: :jump: may have to take a change of trouser though!!:mrgreen:
pack 2 pairs al, you'll need a set after hitting a post too :rofl: :praise2: .
take it steady matey :thumbsup:
Paul Woods
16-07-2006, 08:51
thanks al,this engine has been a nightmare...its a warning to anyone using a camry engine thats blown its gasket,for heavens sake check that it hasnt cooked,it all but renders the engine useless when it gets as hot as this one has.
It starts up and idles lovely,nice n quiet,but steadily develops top end noises as it heats up....nowhere near as bad as it was before shimming though.Ive done what i can basically,its been apart loads and theres nothing left we can do,so its got its chance!
At the end of the day its not that major a mission to stick a fresh lump in there now that the conversion is done.Monday will be a fun day getting her sorted for MOT,not much to do though,should be good crack!
Oh i measured the old number plate with my mic...spacing between normal gaps is 11mm and the space between the 6 and P is 21mm!!! so going by the MOT rule of double the space its failed by 1mm lol thats bloody harsh if you ask me!!!!
See you monday matey.
Great news.
Alan drives off into the sunset, Paul waves goodbye, turns and with a contented smile spreading across his wrinkled face, walks slowly back into his shed. And they all live happily ever after.
Well done guys! See you @ JAE
Paul Woods
16-07-2006, 09:06
oi! less of the wrinkled! :)
Great news Lodge:jump:. Can't wait to see it (hear it) at the weeksend.
Have you got it home Lodge? We are all sat at our keyboards with fetid breath!!
lodgeman
18-07-2006, 00:52
i am back:jump: :jump: :jump: long day! up at 3.00am drive to woodsy's get there around 08.15 :shades: woodsy gets there 09.15 :shhh: had nice tea though with the neighbours! woodsy still going on about the engine:nuts: i bought it not him so my problem but......... to be quite honest with you when you are in the car you can only hear the exhaust note anyway! did the mot work ! on one of the hottest days of the year:snooty: sat in the camry with the air con on to cool down it was sooooooo hottttttt! pauls mate joined me as well!!nice to meet you ant!see you friday! did a bit more work and then went off to get some petrol in the air con camry:hehe: car passed the mot paid the bill :shifty: ( with one of them rubber cheques:roll: ) and did a runner lol got onto the motorway and thought that i would give it a run for a bit stop in the motorway services, wash up eat and do some checks and then move on! cos its a long way for its maiden journey and bear in mind there is'nt much data on driving a mk1 with v6 installed:nuts: well plans got cocked up couldnt find a motorway sevices on the m1 , no signs as to when the next one is and petrol light on:roll: so in the end i decide to come off on the a64 and try and find some petrol there ! came off on the roundabout and theres a horrible driveshaft noise/ banging going on. limp to the first exit and do some checks- nothing visible . drive off towards a town with petrol and finally get there slowly with traffic building up behind me. sit down -get a drink to cool down and look at problem ( get that from adamhlol) take another look - still nothing visible , so i was just touching the wheel nuts and..... yep you're right loose , mis communication between a southern softie and a northern ............ so borrowed a wheel brace to tighten them up from the local petrol station customers- filled up and job sorted!!! drove back to the motorway with some gusto down the dual cabbageway and shocked the car so much ( and me i might add:eekdoor: ) that the speedo stopped working - bollocks. oh well what do you want one for anyway? rest of the journey was uneventful ,although lots of traffic/roadworks/accidents. there are a couple of things i will say! the car is bloody fast! scares me! lol and you know when something is good when the hairs tingle at the back of the neck:shades: pulls from any gear and is quite rapid until the acis comes in and then it just pulls and pulls and pulls and i stopped before it did!!!!:shifty: any v6 owner will get a smile from this conversion!!. i have a couple of things to sort out- it hiccoughed three times during the journey - brings the heart to the mouth when youre in the fast lane of the m1- not sure if its electrical or fuel related . just seem to start missing for a bit then cleared, each time it lasted a tiny bit longer than the previous one. about 1 an hour or so. i could be heat related ,cos it was bloody hot today and the engine bay area does get very hot and so does the boot area - will sort that later. i have a standard mk1 engine cover on mine and perhaps we need some thing better than that to get rid of the heat- i have a vented fibreglass one that i may fit later, might do the trick perhaps even with extractor fans in it ? for the short term i may fit some bonnet pins and raise the engine cover a little to get more heat out. will also get a new dist cap and rotor arm. with all that heat it might be breaking down? i have to sort the idle tickover out because it just stops when you take it out of gear or stop at a junction! got a suspension noise from the n/s/f that i need to sort out as well! the suspension on mine is lowered with kyb's. ride is quite hard and the car is quite darty,there is no feeling of lightness at speeds like the 4age i had,i have put the battery in the middle on this one and i have wing end pieces fitted! but the suspension needs adjusting properly first before i go any further.adam are you bringing your camber guage to jae? must be a piece of flat concrete somewhere? sorry for such a long post, but might help someone that is thinking of going v6:shrug: thanks again to paul for his great work very much appreciated !!! will show you how much at jae when we share a tent!:gay: :jok: car is available to drive if they want to at jae:shades: but......... you break it you mend it!!!!! lol
David Sleith
18-07-2006, 01:11
Glad you got it home Alan
Your always gonna have a few minor problems with a car thats had as much done to it as yours.
Its a toy anyway and the fun is in both the fixing and the driving.
Can only imagine the grin on your face driving home, must have cramp in your cheeks (no not them)
Glad you got home safe.
lodgeman
18-07-2006, 01:47
yep! smiling still!!!!:whistle: unusal for me as i'm a grumpy bugger according to woodsy!:thebird: well i gonna call him whiny woodsy ! reason ? he said my second gear was whiny! who the f**k needs second gear with a v6? eh?:poke2: just a couple of things i forgot to mention is fuel consumption . cant tell you how many miles it was as my speedo stopped working! but i put two cans in from nearly empty =?12 i then filled up just outside york and that was ?36 at 97.9ltr. now that got me home nearly! that was running at around 4500 revs ( 4 cyl rev counter) for a lot of the way just to bed it in and several foot to the floor moments:whistle: and i mean several .perhaps someone can work out how far it is from oxted to haswell plough durham? all i know is that its a bloody long way and i am now knackered and going to bed!!!!!:boogie:
Paul Woods
18-07-2006, 06:21
im glad it got home relatively uneventfully al! speedo stopped working eh? could be that damn mech drive that plagues us...the odd misfire? hmmm not sure mate,as you say could be heat related as it was scorchio yesterday,do the usual ,pull fault codes out of her etc and report back.
Open the throttle bump stop a smidge too,sounds like its not adjusted properly,i did fiddle with it once upon a time so try that...otherwise its a case of camry ISC valve misery that the camry owners always moan about!
Im glad its making loads of power,iron out a few niggles and jobs sorted.
It was bloody hot at haswell yesterday,too hot !!! but we got through it all !
Report back on any error codes or failing that i'll have a butchers on friday squire... :)
great news al, can't wait to see it :-)
will pack camber gauge, but can't see it bieng much use without 6ft level to test floor. u can keep hold of it.
welly_59
18-07-2006, 09:53
fuel consumption works out at about 26-27mpg
Jiff Lemon
18-07-2006, 10:11
great news al, can't wait to see it :-)
will pack camber gauge, but can't see it bieng much use without 6ft level to test floor. u can keep hold of it.
Couple of lengths of 4x2?
Sponge Bob
18-07-2006, 11:44
Nice work... I bet that journey home was 50% dreaded 50% lurved... lol
It's all sounding great Lodge despite the niggles, good to hear you both made it back home in one piece. I don't know what other quick cars you've been in but how does the butt dyno register the V6 in comparison?
superchargedsam
18-07-2006, 13:32
nope dont think he has had any experiance of any quick cars as am sure that huge V12 beemer cant be very quick as its feckin huge ! ;) will be interesting to see how it compares !
Presuming the 850 is manual (which on paper is the quicker apparently), these stats http://www.globalcar.com/datasheet/BMW/1989BMW850i.htm suggest that Lodge's V6 will spank his v12 in the performance stakes. Let's not go down the luxury route though.
lodgeman
18-07-2006, 13:58
the butt dyno tells me...................... should pack new trousers!!!! it seems seriously quick, but i havent driven too many fast cars apart from the beemer but that is deceptively quicK, you dont really know notice how fast you are going untill you look at the speedo. the v6 tells you that your are going quickly from the start! its a good feeling seeing the rev counter going off the clock:hmm: :boogie: :boogie: bmw is auto by the way!!!!
the butt dyno tells me...................... should pack new trousers!!!!
Hehe, I reckon Nik should start a line in TwoBrutal adult nappies to be handed out to uninitiated 1.5 passengers.
superchargedsam
18-07-2006, 17:11
having had my first drive in a tubby powered 1.5 I can say they are very quick and quicker than I thought they would be !
Was that Podge's 1.5 Sam?
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