Hi! New to MR2's and big power in mind!

[TbarTurbo]

With a twist ;)

Im tom im from essex, and ive just been given my first MK1 87 Tbar! its white and it went through the mot today needing only relatively miner work. Cosmeticly needs TLC, but power is more important!

Was refered to this forum via another (im on about 4 now and getting seriously confused!)

my main task is now to determine weather my 2litre xu10 turbo engine from my unfinished pug turbo, will fit in the rear of the two!Ive specced the engine for 240-300 bhp, so should be in the same power bracket as the popular mr2 later engine conversion, but ive already got this one, im having trouble selling it at anywhere near what it owes me, so it looks logical to attempt it.

anyway ill post and browse in the relevant sections, but any pointers here on pms would be cool!

im not scared of getting my hands dirty and i have use of garage facilities in my spare time, so no reason i cant make another mk1 weapon for the road;)

[superchargedsam]

in here anything is possible fella! welcome aboard by the way!

[Shorty]

Hi and welcome. From what car is the engine from? Never heard about that one before. Only heard of 3 engines so no wonder:freak3:

[TbarTurbo]

Its originaly from a citroen XM/xantia/406 turbo ect. My one is the lower CR of the two, and 139bhp in standard trim. Theres a few guys over sea's seeing over 300 bhp on a stock bottom end with a mild cam and a ecu remap and bigger turbo etc. Obviously ive realised a mid engine rwd moter will handle the power better, so my first step in the right direction was to give up on the pug (its all running) and get an mr2:P assuming the turbo project doesnt sell elswhere, thats what ill hope to do.

however im also liking the look of the v6 conversions... :D

[OlberJ]

Oooh, another pug convert. Ur not of 205gtidrivers upbringing are you? Was the engine in a 205?

I personally wouldn't bother tryin to put a pug engine in an mr2. It's not gonna be anywhere near as reliable or tuneable. Get a good starting engine (V6) for el cheapo money and turbo that when you're ready.

My Mi16 was quick, borderline fast, but just so unreliable. Am pretty sure getting the pug engine to work with the mr2 electrics would be a nightmare, and if you're going standalone then you might aswell do a Toyota engine conversion. Or something more crazy :mrgreen:

Don't get me wrong, am not knocking you're original idea, i just reckon you're gonna get more out of a V6. :thumbsup:

300bhp from you're engine is gonna cost, several thousand. Sure The lad with the home-made T16 that was running 350 cost him 10k to build the engine alone. Can' mind his name, Thomas something. Blue one with the nimrods.

Anywho's i'd run from the pug engine, run like the wind.

[biteme]

Ooh.. this could an interesting one.

I'll offer valuable "come on/get in/great job" etc - but I'm shite mechanically, so.

Come on!

[TbarTurbo]

yep im of 205 drivers upbringing!:P

i quit 205s after a so called mate just messed about with one of my cars, and couldnt be bothered to put it right, took it as time to move on, and i think the majority of us choose jap from a 205!

Anyway, ive spent close on £2k on the engine and parts alone to see 300 bhp, bear in mind im a french car specialist and these engines are what i know.Ive wired up my 3 turbo converted cars with no issues, and built 5 mi16s (2 were in 309s and 1 in a zx citroen). i think wiring would be at worst needing aftermarket guages.

Ive never had any major reliability issues with pugs, but im not saying i dont like the jap engines, mine sounds realy healthy and drives well too.

Yes my engines in a car and nearly ready to go on the rolling road, but i think the guys at Perfect touch would prefer i turn up at there place in a jap car, and ive got an mr2 now so dont see the point finishing it! i think im just bored of pugs. new to rwd, should be fun!

hmmm turbo v6... the v6 looks a lot of work... what kinda cash are we talking for an engine?

[biteme]

yep im of 205 drivers upbringing!:P

i quit 205s after a so called mate just messed about with one of my cars, and couldnt be bothered to put it right, took it as time to move on, and i think the majority of us choose jap from a 205!

Anyway, ive spent close on £2k on the engine and parts alone to see 300 bhp, bear in mind im a french car specialist and these engines are what i know.Ive wired up my 3 turbo converted cars with no issues, and built 5 mi16s (2 were in 309s and 1 in a zx citroen). i think wiring would be at worst needing aftermarket guages.

Ive never had any major reliability issues with pugs, but im not saying i dont like the jap engines, mine sounds realy healthy and drives well too.

Yes my engines in a car and nearly ready to go on the rolling road, but i think the guys at Perfect touch would prefer i turn up at there place in a jap car, and ive got an mr2 now so dont see the point finishing it! i think im just bored of pugs. new to rwd, should be fun!

hmmm turbo v6... the v6 looks a lot of work... what kinda cash are we talking for an engine?

Oohh that's the million dollar question there really mate.
3VZ-FE turbo is a 3.0ltr engine with a turbo bolted to it - so it's Woodsy's usual trnasplant price plus an extra bit for the extra work - and then the price of teh turbo... We expect this to be ok for 300-320ish bhp. We'll have proof soon.

I'm getting a 5VZ-FE which is a 3.4ltr engine with a large turbo, but I'm having all the internals uprated. This is capable of 700bhp but costs a lot more.

You pays you money ... heh, best to work out a budget first I thnk mate.

[TbarTurbo]

my 205 started out on a 1k budget... now touching 3k unfinished... i dont see the point in budgets tbh!

Assume i dont do the pug engine... the bog basic v6/v8, with all parts needed from the doner car, so an initial building block, i would more than likely run NA for a while, first RWD car and all that, dont fancy dying from pendulam style oversteer in the wet cos i have 700 bhp!! i think i need to browse, but a quick list of suitable doners cars maybe?!

i wouldnt be paying for a conversion if i can help it ;) half the fun is building the car, and most of the cars ive put together ive sold within 2 months of putting them on the road!

[Marksman]

Howdy Tom and welcome to TB.

Now we have a rule here (Ok not a rule but an ethos) that we don't say things can't be done. If we listened to people wo say those words then there'd be no V6 powered MR2's or V8s or 4-pot turbo's. What I would say about your engine is that wiring and plumbing can be sorted but you need to bolt a gearbox to thet engine that will give you lots of forward gears when mounted at the arse end of your MR2. Then there's a clutch and driveshafts of course. If you've got that bit sussed then it's all details from that point forward. If you can mount your engine to a MK2 turbo gearbox then it's just the flywheel to sort as driveshafts are then sorted...

Personally I might be tempted to sell the cheeseeatingsurrendedmonkey engine and stick in a £500 Toyota goodness V6 but that's just me :slap:

Feel free to ignore anything I say and do your own thing, that's also the whole point of TB!

All the best,

Owen.

[TbarTurbo]

might be pointing the obviouse out here, but the majority of fwd engine/gearbox arangements would drive the car the right direction planted in the back of an mr2... only front engine hondas ect would be a bit wierd... my only initial thought is the laid back pug engine would shift the wieght further to the rear of the car... possibly inbalancing it... early days yet, but yes i like to think anythings possible, although i doubt ill go down the mr2 box/other engine route, welding driveshafts is cheeper and easyer!!

[lodgeman]

welcome to the club mate! :welcome: i have no idea as to whether this will work or not but i say ... go for it!:thumbsup: any toyota info you need will be readily available here as there are some pretty knowledgeable chaps here! ( thats not pretty as in the david beckham/brad pitt pretty by the way lol ) usually the main problems of swapping fwd to rwd is linkage problems and having 5 reverse gears and 1 forward !!rotflmao have you read this thread?
http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=6199

very nice conversion ! plus there is a honda v6 mk1 around somewhere.

[OlberJ]

Hmmmm, who you off the old gtidrivers forum then?

Miles?
Adam?
Pugtorque?

I know the 2.0 cast iron lump you got there is meant to be bomb-proof but i'd still go for the V6 as a starting block. If you can get 300bhp out of the 2.0, think what you can do with 3. :thumbsup:

[TbarTurbo]

none of those guys ;)
Im considering the v6 now as it goes, but still want to trial fit the pug engine for giggles. i think ill need to attack the bodywork at some point too though, sooner than later!

[Miss.Pitstop]

Hi!!! welcome to TB!!! :welcome:

[adamh]

interesting project there, good luck & welcome :)

[TbarTurbo]

Its not happening this time around... given the cost of a v6 transplant and the ease of the swap and potential for a charger on top ;)

started gathering parts for the v6 conversion ;)

[roseward]

Its not happening this time around... given the cost of a v6 transplant and the ease of the swap and potential for a charger on top ;)

started gathering parts for the v6 conversion ;)

Now your thinking !

Welcome :jump: